Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, May 11, 2011 16:43 -0400 Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: It is a lot more time (and money) saving to search free versions before entering transactions to purchase them than to rely blindly on PubMed, IEEE, ACM, google scholar etc. Unfortunately, the IEEE has

Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread Steven Bellovin
On May 12, 2011, at 10:41 58AM, John C Klensin wrote: --On Wednesday, May 11, 2011 16:43 -0400 Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: It is a lot more time (and money) saving to search free versions before entering transactions to purchase them than to rely blindly on PubMed, IEEE,

Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread Joe Touch
On 5/11/2011 10:17 PM, SM wrote: Hi Joe, At 17:05 11-05-2011, Joe Touch wrote: Paradoxically, I-Ds do already include a similar statement: The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be

Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread Joe Touch
On 5/12/2011 7:58 AM, Steven Bellovin wrote: On May 12, 2011, at 10:41 58AM, John C Klensin wrote: --On Wednesday, May 11, 2011 16:43 -0400 Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: It is a lot more time (and money) saving to search free versions before entering transactions to

Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread Bob Hinden
John, The main difference is also familiar: the IETF wants to limit reproduction permission for published versions (presumably to continue to make money on them to offset other expenses) while we permit unlimited distribution and reproduction without special permission as long as the

Quebec City IETF Codesprint

2011-05-12 Thread IETF Chair
Quebec City IETF Codesprint When: 23 July 2011, starting at 9:30 AM Where: IETF Hotel What: A bunch of hackers get together to work on code for the IETF. All code will become part of the open source IETF tools. Who: Hopefully you can help Many of the results of previous codesprint

Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, May 12, 2011 08:50 -0700 Joe Touch to...@isi.edu wrote: My comment was in reply to Masataka Ohta's note saying that he often evades the pricing on things like IEEE or ACM pappers by finding free ones online. That looks like it won't be possible going forward. Current IEEE

Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* Steve Crocker: A simpler and more pragmatic approach is to include a statement in the boilerplate of every RFC that says, RFCs are available free of charge online from ... The copyright rules would prohibit anyone from removing this statement. If someone pays $47 for a copy and then

Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread Bob Hinden
Steve, On May 9, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Steve Crocker wrote: A simpler and more pragmatic approach is to include a statement in the boilerplate of every RFC that says, RFCs are available free of charge online from ... The copyright rules would prohibit anyone from removing this statement. If

Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread Steve Crocker
Bob, Thanks! I had always thought 47 was an uninteresting number. I wasn't sure if it was the least uninteresting number, and if it were, it would automatically be interesting(*), but now I see it's interesting even if it's not the least uninteresting number :) Steve * For those on this

Re: How to pay $47 for a copy of RFC 793

2011-05-12 Thread Julian Reschke
On 12.05.2011 23:09, Bob Hinden wrote: Steve, On May 9, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Steve Crocker wrote: A simpler and more pragmatic approach is to include a statement in the boilerplate of every RFC that says, RFCs are available free of charge online from ... The copyright rules would prohibit

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-12 Thread John Levine
The document is well written and does a good job of describing the various issues related to lists and DKIM. My problem with it is that most of the advice is as far as I can tell unimplemented, so it's more of a Best Hypothetical Practices than a BCP. A typical example is section 4.1 which

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2011-05-12 Thread Thomas Narten
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Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-12 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Domain Keys Identified Mail WG (dkim) to consider the following document: - 'DKIM And Mailing Lists' draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt as a BCP The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please

Quebec City IETF Codesprint

2011-05-12 Thread IETF Chair
Quebec City IETF Codesprint When: 23 July 2011, starting at 9:30 AM Where: IETF Hotel What: A bunch of hackers get together to work on code for the IETF. All code will become part of the open source IETF tools. Who: Hopefully you can help Many of the results of previous codesprint