Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Bill McQuillan
On Wed, 2011-08-03, Hector Santos wrote: I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development of the I-D or simply to follow it. I

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-08-04 09:11, Bill McQuillan wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-03, Hector Santos wrote: I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Peter Koch
On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 10:36:46AM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote: I think I have read some I-D that including this useful information, but most do not. Its one the first things I look for. Just a thought if it makes sense. +100 Perhaps it could be included in the ID-Announce message.

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
04.08.2011 12:04, Peter Koch wrote: On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 10:36:46AM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote: I think I have read some I-D that including this useful information, but most do not. Its one the first things I look for. Just a thought if it makes sense. +100 Perhaps it could be included

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-ietf-msec-gdoi-update

2011-08-04 Thread Sam Hartman
Brian == Brian Weis b...@cisco.com writes: Brian Hi Sam, Thanks for your review. Brian Your first comment is pointing out a typo (groupkey-pull Brian should be groupkey-push), which I've fixed. Brian The anti-replay description in Section 3.3 should not say Brian that the

Re: subject_prefix on IETF Discuss?

2011-08-04 Thread Nathaniel Borenstein
Yes. No. No. Yes. Maybe. Let me elaborate. On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: The visual cue this convention provides is helpful and it's an extremely widespread convention. +1. The effect on users is completely different, even though the same information is in there

Re: is IETF trying to do too much?

2011-08-04 Thread Michael Richardson
Marc == Marc Petit-Huguenin petit...@acm.org writes: Marc I personally would like to switch to the Tufte style, Marc (i.e. uploading a printout, which can also be distributed to Marc people before the meeting in printed form, and having *only* a Marc discussion), but I am not

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, August 04, 2011 10:36 +0200 Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: On 2011-08-04 09:11, Bill McQuillan wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-03, Hector Santos wrote: I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any,

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/4/2011 6:47 AM, John C Klensin wrote: This should be mandatory in IDs. ... But there are circumstances in which the appropriate mailing list is not known at the time of posting and others in which permission to use an obvious mailing list requires pre-approval that might significantly

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: Hector Santos I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development of the I-D or simply to follow it. We already have

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bill McQuillan [mcqui...@pobox.com] Perhaps it could be included in the ID-Announce message. In a lot of situations, the I-D submission tool knows the name of the relevant working group and could include its mailing list

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-08-04 16:11, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Hector Santos I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development of the I-D or

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/4/2011 7:11 AM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: Once one knows the WG name, And when there is no working group that the document is associated with? In addition, there is a certain degree of exclusionary culture that comes with a requirement that a new reader know how to derive a

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Hector Santos
I don't know if there is a need for template changes or some formal section in the write up, but it would seem to me that an author who has reached a level of getting WG assigned and/or even started a mailing list (IETF or otherwise) would be very eager to announce it in a new I-D (01?)

Re: subject_prefix on IETF Discuss?

2011-08-04 Thread Richard Kulawiec
-1. This list complies with RFC 2919, which alleviates the need for the horrible, unscalable, obsolete, ugly kludge of Subject-line tags. I suggest that anyone who really, *really* wants them on their copies of messages arrange to have them added locally (perhaps by procmail or similar) and not

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Koch Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:04 AM To: IETF Discussion Subject: Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list I-D announcements are already copied to the relevant WG for WG

Re: New Non-WG Mailing List: happiana -- IETF/W3C/IANA Registry Happiness

2011-08-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 8/3/11 1:54 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 8/3/11 1:49 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: Why can't we get informative explanations of what problem non-WG mailing lists are trying to address? Purpose: This list is for discussion of IANA Registry issues to result in Happy IETF, Happy W3C, and

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hector Santos Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:10 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list I don't know if there is a need for template

Is BIOS in the IETF scope?

2011-08-04 Thread Krishna Birth
Does IETF in it's scope deal with the BIOS on the hardware? Sorry if I am off-topic. Perhaps there are some bright engineers reading this that could help. I am prepared to offer 200 euros if any engineer alters the BIOS fonts to a font that I prefer using opensource, ?Coreboot. I am not a

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Hector Santos
How my suggestion was to be done, I left as open ended for the IETF vets to consider if it makes sense, how its done and/or if already provided, maybe highlight that info. Whatever. But most of all, I was mostly suggesting a technical writing style or helpful guideline to authors to consider.

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-3gpp-eps-03.txt (IPv6 in 3GPP Evolved Packet System) to Informational RFC

2011-08-04 Thread GangChen
Hello Authors, I think it is worth adding some texts to describe mobile CPE case, in which CPEs with wireless modem use 3GPP access as uplink. Gang 2011/8/2, The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org: The IESG has received a request from the IPv6 Operations WG (v6ops) to consider the following

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2011-08-04 Thread Thomas Narten
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Protocol Action: 'Label Distribution Protocol Extensions for Point-to-Multipoint and Multipoint-to-Multipoint Label Switched Paths' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-15.txt)

2011-08-04 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Label Distribution Protocol Extensions for Point-to-Multipoint and Multipoint-to-Multipoint Label Switched Paths' (draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp-15.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching