Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-28 Thread Hui Deng
Hi Dan, Inline please, 2011/9/27 Dan Wing dw...@cisco.com -Original Message- From: Hui Deng [mailto:denghu...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:01 PM To: Dan Wing Cc: teemu.savolai...@nokia.com; satoru.matsush...@gmail.com; ietf@ietf.org; softwi...@ietf.org;

Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-28 Thread Hui Deng
inline please, 2011/9/27 Dan Wing dw...@cisco.com -Original Message- From: teemu.savolai...@nokia.com [mailto:teemu.savolai...@nokia.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 PM To: dw...@cisco.com; satoru.matsush...@gmail.com; ietf@ietf.org Cc: softwi...@ietf.org;

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-28 Thread Leslie Daigle
Hi, So, with more detailed comments below, I think the key thing I'm still struggling with finding a way to articulate is the distinction between: . assignment/(re)delegation of responsibility . offloading work I think the proposal addresses the second. I believe the real

Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-28 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Sep 28, 2011 2:51 AM, Hui Deng denghu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, Inline please, 2011/9/27 Dan Wing dw...@cisco.com -Original Message- From: Hui Deng [mailto:denghu...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:01 PM To: Dan Wing Cc: teemu.savolai...@nokia.com;

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-28 Thread Russ Housley
Brian: And to be clear, I (still the previous IETF Chair) think that some such change is needed, which is exactly why I wrote the above draft in 2006. Perhaps the difference is that I see the IAOC/Trust role as very hard to separate from the IETF Chair role - but more easily separable from

RE: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-28 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: Hui Deng [mailto:denghu...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:52 AM To: Dan Wing Cc: teemu.savolai...@nokia.com; satoru.matsush...@gmail.com; ietf@ietf.org; softwi...@ietf.org; beh...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call:

RE: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-28 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: Cameron Byrne [mailto:cb.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:16 AM To: Hui Deng Cc: softwi...@ietf.org; beh...@ietf.org; teemu.savolai...@nokia.com; ietf@ietf.org; Dan Wing Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt

Re: [Softwires] [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-28 Thread Mark Townsley
+1 ... since the alternative is that apps that require ipv4 sockets and pass ipv4 literals are stranded on ipv6 only networks. Running code on the n900 shows that nat464 provides real user and network benefit Frankly, I preferred it when you were running IPv6-only without BIH on your

Re: [Softwires] [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-28 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Mark Townsley m...@townsley.net wrote: +1 ... since the alternative is that apps that require ipv4 sockets and pass ipv4 literals are stranded on ipv6 only networks. Running code on the n900 shows that nat464 provides real user and network benefit Frankly,

Re: [Softwires] [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-28 Thread Keith Moore
On Sep 28, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: In the end (as well as IPv6-only near term in mobile), IP version agnostic apps will prove to be more reliable and therefore will get more market share. Not clear. There's a tradeoff between the additional reliability of being

Re: [BEHAVE] [Softwires] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-v4v6-bih-06.txt (Dual Stack Hosts Using Bump-in-the-Host (BIH)) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-28 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com wrote: Hi Cameron, Very interesting ( clever indeed). How does this clever code ensure that all but a few (pesky apps) continue to use IPv6 interface instead of the NAT46 interface? Rajiv, DNS64 is used. So anything

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-28 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2011-09-29 04:24, Russ Housley wrote: Brian: And to be clear, I (still the previous IETF Chair) think that some such change is needed, which is exactly why I wrote the above draft in 2006. Perhaps the difference is that I see the IAOC/Trust role as very hard to separate from the IETF

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-28 Thread John Levine
Yes, there's no doubt that the IESG needs to have strong input into IASA decisions; there is no way round that. But it isn't clear to me that this must be the IESG Chair's job, if we had a model where the IETF Chair and IESG Chair were two different people. As long as it's one person, this is a

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-28 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/28/2011 17:55, John Levine wrote: I would rather have somebody show up at my meetings who has delegated authority, enough time to pay attention and think about the issues, and a good working relationship with the chair than insist that a harried chair call in and mute his phone so

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-28 Thread Huub van Helvoort
All, I propose to completely remove section 5 of this draft. The reason: The IETF should *NOT* document any comment on any multiple standards developed by other SDOs which are outside of the IETF's scope. Especially standards like like SONET/SDH, CDMA/GSM. The current text reflects the

Last Call: draft-ietf-grow-no-more-unallocated-slash8s-03.txt (Time to Remove Filters for Previously Unallocated IPv4 /8s) to BCP

2011-09-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Global Routing Operations WG (grow) to consider the following document: - 'Time to Remove Filters for Previously Unallocated IPv4 /8s' draft-ietf-grow-no-more-unallocated-slash8s-03.txt as a BCP The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks,

Protocol Action: 'PIM Multi-Topology ID (MT-ID) Join Attribute' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-pim-mtid-10.txt)

2011-09-28 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'PIM Multi-Topology ID (MT-ID) Join Attribute' (draft-ietf-pim-mtid-10.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Protocol Independent Multicast Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adrian Farrel and Stewart Bryant. A

IETF 82 - Hotel Reservations - REMINDER

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