On May 1, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Janet P Gunn wrote:
My own anecdotes.
Yes, it starts early.
When I was 3 I announced that I was going to be a physicist when I grew up.
WHY?
1 - a physicist has a chair that is on WHEELS, and spins ROUND and ROUND
2 - a physicist has a blackboard with COLORED
On Apr 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Mary Barnes wrote:
Here is an article that does a far better job of explaining the situation than
I did:
http://www.todaysengineer.org/2011/May/women-in-engineering.asp
The largest reason women leave engineering is due to the work environment and
perceived lack
In the countries with which you are most familiar, what answers do
girls give you?
The responses vary from lack of encouragement; lack of role models; lack of
education-inspiring instructors;
geek c ést chic!
What responses do you receive to your motto?
Very positive - my point is geek
At 15:53 30-04-2012, Stephan Wenger wrote:
This subject was also raised by our AD on the codec mailing list. The
statement is about spec text copyright (with the possible exception of the
word use, which is loaded in this context, see BSD license and implicit
patent grant ambiguity). Insofar,
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/30/12 7:33 AM, Riccardo Bernardini wrote:
So it seems (by this anecdotal and very limited evidence) that
[ ... ]
So it seems to me that when in possession of only anecdotal,
limited evidence that it might be
Hi,
There's been a bunch of mail on this list about this so
here's my summary of the state of play just sent to the
DANE list.
Please feel free to correct me if I've gotten something
wrong.
Cheers,
S.
On 04/12/2012 02:41 AM, The IESG wrote:
The IESG has received a request from the
What if teachers were measured on a survey at the end of a semester or a year
that asked does teacher make interesting to you?.
Feynman recollected that when he returned from school his mother never asked
him if he answered the teacher's questions correctly,
rather if he asked any
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From: Huub van Helvoort huubatw...@gmail.com
To: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 4:52 PM
Hi Dale,
You wondered:
and btw my motto:
geek c ést chic!
What responses do you receive to your motto?
That it is spelled wrong...
tp
Sad, isn't it? All that
The article clearly states that women leave for the two reasons you
mentioned, which are certainly the exact same things males deal with, but
you missed a few others that the article notes, specifically and directly
quoted below:
...lack of real or perceived opportunities for advancement, and
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 09:45, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
The article clearly states that women leave for the two reasons you
mentioned, which are certainly the exact same things males deal with, but
you missed a few others that the article notes, specifically and directly
One of the points I discussed in NYC last week was also the role of media
and what is depicted in film, TV and so on wrt girls-women, a topic of the
Miss Representation initiative:
http://www.missrepresentation.org/
Monique
On 5/1/12 6:45 AM, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
The
On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Janet P Gunn wrote:
My own anecdotes.
Yes, it starts early.
When I was 3 I announced that I was going to be a physicist when I grew up.
WHY?
1 - a physicist has a chair that is on WHEELS, and spins ROUND and ROUND
2 - a physicist has a blackboard
Hi Stephan,
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:53:13PM +, Stephan Wenger wrote:
The question of whether a section in the subject doc is
the right place for such a grant has not yet been answered.
My view on the latter: it's not. One issue of having such a notice is
that it expressly allows
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:28:59PM -0700, SM wrote:
At 18:40 30-04-2012, Ron wrote:
If this clause becomes a blocker, then we should simply remove it, but in
that
case it would be good to have clear reasons why it became a blocker, since
the
things you say you fear here, I see as already
For what it's worth, I support authors' (and this is actually one of the
few times I mean that rather than editors) right to make such a grant. I
believe the community is significantly better served by having
additional grants in the RFC, and strongly support us permitting them. I
believe our
On May 1, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Mary Barnes wrote:
The article clearly states that women leave for the two reasons you mentioned,
which are certainly the exact same things males deal with, but you missed a few
others that the article notes, specifically and directly quoted below:
...lack of real
Hi -
From: Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com
To: Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com
Cc: IETF-Discussion list ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register
...
IOW I don't see the difference between not wanting
On 5/1/12 8:12 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
Well, it says this:
The common perception is that women are leaving for taking care of
their families, says Fouad. But that's clearly not true. They left the
profession for organizational culture reasons.
And then this:
Among the common factors that women
--On Tuesday, May 01, 2012 09:55 -0400 Scott Brim
scott.b...@gmail.com wrote:
...lack of real or perceived opportunities for advancement,
and uncivil work environments where women were treated in
condescending or patronizing manners. Only 25 percent of the
women who left engineering did so
Fred Baker wrote:
On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Ofer Inbar wrote:
This PBS interview with Harvey Mudd president Maria Klawe, on the
subject of why fewer women go into tech engineering fields, is
worth watching:
On 5/1/12 9:24 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
I'm pretty pessimistic about trying
to use the IETF to get ahead of the industrial / work
environment situation.
Me too, and I'm pretty sure that that's the real issue, anyway.
But still, I do think that if supporting diversity is a cultural
value at
Monique Morrow wrote:
One of the points I discussed in NYC last week was also the role of media
and what is depicted in film, TV and so on wrt girls-women, a topic of the
Miss Representation initiative:
http://www.missrepresentation.org/
Monique
My young artist daughter depicted the woman
This is VERY narrow minded, and, to be honest, somewhat insulting.
You suggest that time at work and family are the only important things
to women.
First off, working too many hours, and too much travel are
considerably MORE onerous when you DON'T have a family to back you up -
especially if
Note that I've changed the Subject. I'm hoping that the readers may
have some information on the question I ask below.
From: Fred Baker [f...@cisco.com]
If you want my opinion (nobody asked, but I will presume that someone
is wondering), the corollary is why aren't more students interested
Hector wrote:
Monique Morrow wrote:
One of the points I discussed in NYC last week was also the role of media
and what is depicted in film, TV and so on wrt girls-women, a topic of
the
Miss Representation initiative:
http://www.missrepresentation.org/
Monique
My young artist daughter
This is a complex topic and one where it's easy to be naive or even
dismissive if one hasn't experienced stuff themselves or worked with
people who have.
If this conversation was about IETF culture, and how it's hard for
non-Americans to participate IETF style, I bet folk would much more
quickly
From: Mary Barnes [mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com]
Personally, I think IETF has far more of an issue when it comes to
cultural and gender diversity than it does with not having enough
younger folks. This is particularly visible in the leadership.
Given that one moves up in the IETF through
On May 1, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Janet P Gunn wrote:
This is VERY narrow minded, and, to be honest, somewhat insulting.
You suggest that time at work and family are the only important things to
women.
I'm suggesting no such thing. This authors of this survey say that women who
left engineering
--On Tuesday, May 01, 2012 15:15 -0400 Worley, Dale R (Dale)
dwor...@avaya.com wrote:
...
That is, to be aware of the need to keep the
leadership corps continuously refreshed with younger and
less-experienced people. Which more or less requires a method
of culling the greybeards, given
There have been some good numbers floated on recent threads, but at
least for me, they aren't enough to gain a complete (or nearly
complete) picture of the issue.
Having studied statistics, we need to know a starting point, and look
for the reductions (or increases) from that point forward.
Hi John,
At 13:39 01-05-2012, John C Klensin wrote:
Speaking as a greybeard who doesn't particularly like the idea
of being culled, an alternative is to try to move such people on
to mentoring/ advisory roles (and the few tasks we have around
that _really_ need many years of experience) rather
But that leaves out all of us that started off in a different (technical)
field (Math and OR in my case) and ended up here..
Janet
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Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote on 05/01/2012 02:24:57 AM:
From: Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com
To: Janet P Gunn/USA/CSC@CSC
Cc: Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com, ietf-
boun...@ietf.org ietf-boun...@ietf.org, IETF discussion list
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Date: 05/01/2012 02:26 AM
Subject: Re:
On May 1, 2012 4:08 PM, Janet P Gunn jgu...@csc.com wrote:
But that leaves out all of us that started off in a different (technical)
field (Math and OR in my case) and ended up here..
Furthermore, is rigorous academic STEM education highly correlated with
whatever it is you are trying to
[RS ] +1 This is not just something we should do, its something we have to
do. I know the AD's try and keep a strong hand in talent spotting among the
WG chairs on who might succeed them, but one thing I believe WG chairs need
to do is appoint WG Secretaries. I always did. Limit the number of
From: John C Klensin [john-i...@jck.com]
The harder part
--because it does require community and leadership commitment --
is finding ways to make those mentoring/ advisory roles work.
What would be good patterns
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