Re: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-17 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/16/2012 06:59, Barry Leiba wrote: In fact, RFC 2119 says that the normative keywords are often capitalized, but doesn't require that they be. Standards should be written in such a way as to remove as much ambiguity as possible, not show how clever we are. That allowance in 2119 was a

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-mile-template-04.txt (Guidelines for Defining Extensions to IODEF) to Informational RFC

2012-05-17 Thread SM
At 14:53 16-05-2012, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Managed Incident Lightweight Exchange WG (mile) to consider the following document: - 'Guidelines for Defining Extensions to IODEF' draft-ietf-mile-template-04.txt as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a

Re: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-17 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:18 AM On 05/16/2012 06:59, Barry Leiba wrote: In fact, RFC 2119 says that the normative keywords are often capitalized, but doesn't

Re: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-17 Thread Tony Finch
Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 07:17:04AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: Case does not define meaning in normal language, why should it here? That is false. Consider these two passages: The King asked the Queen, and the Queen asked the

Re: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-17 Thread Tony Finch
Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: can != may one is ability, the other permission Right, and if you are giving some entity permission to do something in a protocol spec, surely that ought to be written in normative terms. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch d...@dotat.at http://dotat.at/ FitzRoy:

Re: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-17 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-05-16 22:29, Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed May 16 21:10:02 2012, Randy Bush wrote: Authors must be fastidious about this. s/this/documents/ RFC 2119 ยง6 says: Imperatives of the type defined in this memo must be used with care and sparingly. In particular, they MUST only be used where

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-art last call review of draft-ietf-codec-opus-12.txt (completed)

2012-05-17 Thread Cullen Jennings
I think the authors just about have a -14 draft ready but I wanted to comment on one topic inline On May 16, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Elwyn Davies wrote: Hi, Jean-Marc. ... and thanks for the super-quick response! You have been quite busy. I have had a look through the new draft and I

RE: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-17 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Cridland Consider: An octet may contain 0-255. An octet contains 0-255. An octet might contain 0-255 - or it might not? The Foo octet MUST lie between 0 and 127 inclusive; that is,

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-art last call review of draft-ietf-codec-opus-12.txt (completed)

2012-05-17 Thread Elwyn Davies
Hi, Jean-Marc. ... and thanks for the super-quick response! You have been quite busy. I have had a look through the new draft and I think the additions help considerably with comprehension for the naive (and to give new implementers a way in.) I'll leave you to negotiate with the RFC Editor

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-art last call review of draft-ietf-codec-opus-12.txt (completed)

2012-05-17 Thread Jean-Marc Valin
Hi Elwyn, We're submitted a -14 draft to address your comments. Again, see the response to each of these issues in the attached document. Thanks again, Jean-Marc On 12-05-16 05:26 PM, Elwyn Davies wrote: Hi, Jean-Marc. ... and thanks for the super-quick response! You have been

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-17 Thread Hector Santos
Lee Howard wrote: -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Cridland Consider: An octet may contain 0-255. An octet contains 0-255. An octet might contain 0-255 - or it might not? The Foo octet MUST lie between 0 and 127

Protocol Action: 'EAP Extensions for EAP Re-authentication Protocol (ERP)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-hokey-rfc5296bis-07.txt)

2012-05-17 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'EAP Extensions for EAP Re-authentication Protocol (ERP)' (draft-ietf-hokey-rfc5296bis-07.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Handover Keying Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Stephen Farrell and Sean Turner.

Document Action: 'S/MIME Capabilities for Public Key Definitions' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-pkix-pubkey-caps-07.txt)

2012-05-17 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'S/MIME Capabilities for Public Key Definitions' (draft-ietf-pkix-pubkey-caps-07.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Public-Key Infrastructure (X.509) Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Sean Turner and Stephen

CORE WG Virtual Interim Meeting: June 4, 0900 EDT

2012-05-17 Thread IESG Secretary
We plan to run a virtual interim meeting for CORE WG on Monday, June 4 at 09:00 EDT. This will be a webex phone call that is scheduled for two hours. The agenda and conference bridge details will be announced on the CORE WG email list.

Last Call: draft-ietf-dane-protocol-21.txt (The DNS-Based Authentication of Named Entities (DANE) Transport Layer Security (TLS) Protocol: TLSA) to Proposed Standard

2012-05-17 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the DNS-based Authentication of Named Entities WG (dane) to consider the following document: - 'The DNS-Based Authentication of Named Entities (DANE) Transport Layer Security (TLS) Protocol: TLSA' draft-ietf-dane-protocol-21.txt as Proposed Standard This