Re: Protocol Definition

2012-06-18 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On 5 Jan 2012, todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net wrote On 1/5/2012 6:48 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: (One can quibble about the difference between algorithm and program. An algorithm is a component of a program. The program is the code-based implementation of the alg? The distinction

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-18 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Barry, I think from your message, you agree that discussion is important in the decision of updates, which I share. I agree to not repeat any unnecessary info, but if contradictions appear to procedure, it then needs a reference or repeat. The problem is that the I-D does not mention in the

Re: registries and designated experts

2012-06-18 Thread Martin J. Dürst
Hello Stephen, On 2012/06/17 22:33, Stephen Farrell wrote: Martin, On 06/17/2012 01:55 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote: This time, the situation was somewhat reversed: The expert approved the registration, and this fact was then used as a claim that IETF Last Call comments on the item registered

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-05.txt (Updated Specification of the IPv4 ID Field) to Proposed Standard

2012-06-18 Thread Masataka Ohta
Joe Touch wrote: draft-generic-v6ops-tunmtu-03.txt to fragment IPv6 packets by intermediate routers should be very interesting to you. It is aware of our IPv4-ID doc, and consistent with it. What? When the DF is ignored, the ID field is rewritten - i.e., If the ID field could be

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-05.txt (Updated Specification of the IPv4 ID Field) to Proposed Standard

2012-06-18 Thread Masataka Ohta
Joe Touch wrote: It is a fair action by innocent providers. It is a violation of standards. They may do it innocently, but it's still a violation. You misunderstand standardization processes. Standards remain so until revoked explicitly. Common use does not itself revoke a standard - it

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-06-18 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
It will be better to have both webpage and RFC AB On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM, The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page'

Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07, major design issue (one or two URI schemes)

2012-06-18 Thread Graham Klyne
Stephen, (Personal hat on) I've followed elements of this exchange. I must confess that when I read through the draft previously, I didn't really pay attention to the nih: parts. I can see that there are distinct use-cases here, and I think you have reasonable grounds for not wanting to

Re: registries and designated experts

2012-06-18 Thread Graham Klyne
On 12/06/2012 15:56, Dave Crocker wrote: On 6/12/2012 7:19 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: it's not the role of the designated expert to act as a gatekeeper with respect to the technical merits of the technologies that trigger registration requests. It might be good to have a wider discussion

Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07, major design issue (one or two URI schemes)

2012-06-18 Thread Graham Klyne
On 15/06/2012 20:18, Stephen Farrell wrote: I think you said somewhere in this exchange, nih: is intended to be used to confirm some information that you already have. As such, I'm not seeing how it can be said to identify a resource. I'm checking with others since I'm not entirely familiar

Re: Protocol Definition

2012-06-18 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
IMO the important issue in any definition is to include how the IETF defines protocol, this may be find in some RFCs :) The IP is the main protocol, and all protocols in IETF are based on IP and Internet. AB On 5 Jan 2012, todd glassey tglassey at earthlink.net wrote On 1/5/2012 6:48 AM,

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-18 Thread Melinda Shore
On 6/18/12 3:11 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: It is clear from the draft if you read it, that the decision *is not* for the internet-community in two issues: a) editor decision of accepting a propose change, b) editor decision of change-updates to submit to IESG. The discussion in the I-D is

Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-06-18 Thread IETF Chair
Some SDOs have gone to great lengths to specify this in detail. I am hoping that we can avoid that path. Instead, as Ed already pointed out, each person already provides an organizational affiliation when they register. Consistency would be helpful. Russ On Jun 15, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Eric

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-05.txt (Updated Specification of the IPv4 ID Field) to Proposed Standard

2012-06-18 Thread Joe Touch
I will include a response to the rest of this in my summary of the last call concerns. Regarding your last point: On 6/18/2012 5:39 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote: ... PS While your draft is rather harmful than useless, I'm fine if the following point of the draft: Originating sources MAY

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-05.txt (Updated Specification of the IPv4 ID Field) to Proposed Standard

2012-06-18 Thread Joe Touch
On 6/18/2012 5:09 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote: Joe Touch wrote: draft-generic-v6ops-tunmtu-03.txt to fragment IPv6 packets by intermediate routers should be very interesting to you. It is aware of our IPv4-ID doc, and consistent with it. What? I looked more closely, and the doc is

gathering experience running WIFI

2012-06-18 Thread Joe Touch
Hi, all, There had been some talk of gathering experience at IETF meetings running WIFI, and I'm not sure it went anywhere. Although this might not be appropriate for an RFC, I'm hoping to gather some relevant advice to put on a webpage that could be useful for future IETF meetings, as well

Re: Protocol Definition

2012-06-18 Thread Joe Touch
On 6/18/2012 3:30 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: ... I noticed no disagreement between method and mechanism, at the time. In retrospect, those two terms might seem to allude to a different depth of semantic explanations. Rereading that thread, I find that the same ambiguity holds for algorithm

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-05.txt (Updated Specification of the IPv4 ID Field) to Proposed Standard

2012-06-18 Thread Masataka Ohta
Joe Touch wrote: While your draft is rather harmful than useless, I'm fine if the following point of the draft: Originating sources MAY set the IPv4 ID field of atomic datagrams to any value. is changed to: Originating sources MUST set the IPv4 ID field of atomic

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-bis-updates-18

2012-06-18 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi, I'm the shepherd for this draft. Thanks for the review. Some follow-up inline. On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 05:02:28PM -0400, Richard L. Barnes wrote: MAJOR: 4.1. It's not clear what the threat model is that this section is designed to address. If the zone operator is malicious, then

RFC 6548 on Independent Submission Editor Model

2012-06-18 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6548 Title: Independent Submission Editor Model Author: N. Brownlee, Ed., IAB Status: Informational Stream: IAB Date: June 2012

RFC 6619 on Scalable Operation of Address Translators with Per-Interface Bindings

2012-06-18 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6619 Title: Scalable Operation of Address Translators with Per-Interface Bindings Author: J. Arkko, L. Eggert, M. Townsley Status:

RFC 6639 on Multiprotocol Label Switching Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) MIB-Based Management Overview

2012-06-18 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6639 Title: Multiprotocol Label Switching Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) MIB-Based Management Overview Author: D. King, Ed., M. Venkatesan,

RFC 6647 on Email Greylisting: An Applicability Statement for SMTP

2012-06-18 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6647 Title: Email Greylisting: An Applicability Statement for SMTP Author: M. Kucherawy, D. Crocker Status: Standards Track Stream:

RFC 6672 on DNAME Redirection in the DNS

2012-06-18 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6672 Title: DNAME Redirection in the DNS Author: S. Rose, W. Wijngaards Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: June 2012 Mailbox:

New Non-WG Mailing List: ietf-smtp -- Discussion of issues related to Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP)

2012-06-18 Thread IETF Secretariat
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New Non-WG Mailing List: pop3ext -- POP3 Extensions

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New Non-WG Mailing List: xml-mime -- XML media types in MIME

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New Non-WG Mailing List: openpgp -- OpenPGP discussion

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New Non-WG Mailing List: usefor -- usefor discussion

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