Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

2012-09-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Russ, I think that statement you made is very reasonable which I would prefer groups work to the best of IETF purposes, but also we need to know the reason why some individuals fail to convince an IETF WG. It is important that individuals get to make input to new standards not only companies.

Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

2012-09-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Dave, Independent Stream authors well might not be part of the IETF -- always a strange line of thinking, given that the IETF doesn't have members -- but that doesn't mean that the Stream itself is outside the IETF. Any I-D author MUST be part of IETF otherwise what is IETF then, how do we

Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site

2012-09-25 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 16:50 +0100 Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: I think that statement you made is very reasonable which I would prefer groups work to the best of IETF purposes, but also we need to know the reason why some individuals fail to convince an

Failing to convince an IETF WG (was: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site)

2012-09-25 Thread SM
Hi Abdussalam, At 08:50 25-09-2012, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: I think that statement you made is very reasonable which I would prefer groups work to the best of IETF purposes, but also we need to know the reason why some individuals fail to convince an IETF WG. It is important that individuals

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG (was: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site)

2012-09-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi SM, I ment to say that if independent stream cannot submit a standard track document, then do we have a procedure for the WG to accept or not consider? The last call that you refered to was a WG not independent. AB On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:08 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi Abdussalam,

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG (was: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site)

2012-09-25 Thread SM
Hi Abdussalam, At 10:19 25-09-2012, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: I ment to say that if independent stream cannot submit a standard track document, then do we have a procedure for the WG to accept or not consider? The last call that you refered to was a WG not independent. There is no such thing

Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-websec-strict-transport-sec-13

2012-09-25 Thread Ben Campbell
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. Document:

FW: Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt (Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) to Informational RFC

2012-09-25 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I don't understand the process for this document. I read Russ's words, but I don't glean the meaning :-( This document is in IETF last call for publication in the IETF stream. Yet any comments received will not necessarily be taken on board and the document will not be published as having

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG (was: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from the IETF Web Site)

2012-09-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
SMThere is no such thing as an Independent Stream submitting a Standards Track document. An author can submit an I-D through the IETF Stream if the author would like the I-D to be published on the Standards Track. A WG can adopt such an I-D. RussThe Independent Submission Stream cannot be used to

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-25 Thread tglassey
On 9/25/2012 11:15 AM, SM wrote: Hi Abdussalam, At 10:19 25-09-2012, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: I ment to say that if independent stream cannot submit a standard track document, then do we have a procedure for the WG to accept or not consider? The last call that you refered to was a WG not

Re: FW: Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt (Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) to Informational RFC

2012-09-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good questions all. IMHO, Independent Stream at most. Or a simple blog post would do. :) On 9/25/12 1:13 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi, I don't understand the process for this document. I read Russ's words, but I don't glean the meaning :-(

Re: Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt (Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) to Informational RFC

2012-09-25 Thread Russ Housley
I felt that the IETF Last Call would bring it to the attention of the community. This seems worthwhile because the opinions are about an IETF process. Russ On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi, I don't understand the process for this document. I read Russ's words, but

Re: FW: Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt (Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) to Informational RFC

2012-09-25 Thread Barry Leiba
I don't understand the process for this document. I read Russ's words, but I don't glean the meaning :-( Think of it like the documents where we republish something from another organization: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6449/ or publish something that describes how a product

Re: Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt (Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) to Informational RFC

2012-09-25 Thread SM
At 07:40 25-09-2012, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle' draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt as Informational RFC The author is documenting his own

Re: Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt (Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) to Informational RFC

2012-09-25 Thread Russ Housley
SM: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle' draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt as Informational RFC The author is documenting his own opinion, and he is presenting

Re: Gen-art LC review of draft-ietf-dime-erp-12

2012-09-25 Thread Glen Zorn
On 09/25/2012 05:03 AM, Elwyn Davies wrote: Gen-art LC review of draft-ietf-dime-erp-12 I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-25 Thread David Morris
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, tglassey wrote: The IETF needs total transparency and a way to process alternative standards so that it is not actively involved in anything dark and covert. Todd That makes no sense ... something can't be an IETF standard if it doesn't get created and adopted using The

Re: FW: Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt (Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) to Informational RFC

2012-09-25 Thread Glen Zorn
On 09/26/2012 03:29 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good questions all. IMHO, Independent Stream at most. Or a simple blog post would do. :) On 9/25/12 1:13 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi, I don't understand the process for this document. I read

Re: Failing to convince an IETF WG

2012-09-25 Thread tglassey
On 9/25/2012 6:32 PM, David Morris wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, tglassey wrote: The IETF needs total transparency and a way to process alternative standards so that it is not actively involved in anything dark and covert. Todd That makes no sense ... something can't be an IETF standard if it

Gen-ART LC review of draft-ietf-6man-dad-proxy-05

2012-09-25 Thread Roni Even
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-6man-dad-proxy-05

Last Call: draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt (Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle) to Informational RFC

2012-09-25 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Document Shepherding Throughout a Document's Lifecycle' draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd-00.txt as Informational RFC The author is documenting his own opinion, and he is presenting that opinion

Protocol Action: 'RSVP Association Object Extensions' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext-06.txt)

2012-09-25 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'RSVP Association Object Extensions' (draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext-06.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adrian Farrel and Stewart Bryant.

Protocol Action: 'A User Agent Profile Data Set for Media Policy' to Proposed Standard (draft-camarillo-rai-media-policy-dataset-04.txt)

2012-09-25 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A User Agent Profile Data Set for Media Policy' (draft-camarillo-rai-media-policy-dataset-04.txt) as Proposed Standard This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Robert

Document Action: 'Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web (ABFAB) Use Cases' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-abfab-usecases-05.txt)

2012-09-25 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web (ABFAB) Use Cases' (draft-ietf-abfab-usecases-05.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web Working Group. The IESG

RFC 6707 on Content Distribution Network Interconnection (CDNI) Problem Statement

2012-09-25 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6707 Title: Content Distribution Network Interconnection (CDNI) Problem Statement Author: B. Niven-Jenkins, F. Le Faucheur, N. Bitar

RFC 6721 on The Atom deleted-entry Element

2012-09-25 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6721 Title: The Atom deleted-entry Element Author: J. Snell Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: September 2012 Mailbox:

RFC 6730 on Requirements for IETF Nominations Committee Tools

2012-09-25 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6730 Title: Requirements for IETF Nominations Committee Tools Author: S. Krishnan, J. Halpern Status: Informational Stream: IETF

RFC 6752 on Issues with Private IP Addressing in the Internet

2012-09-25 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6752 Title: Issues with Private IP Addressing in the Internet Author: A. Kirkham Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date:

RFC 6756 on Internet Engineering Task Force and International Telecommunication Union - Telecommunication Standardization Sector Collaboration Guidelines

2012-09-25 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6756 Title: Internet Engineering Task Force and International Telecommunication Union - Telecommunication Standardization Sector