Re: [IETF] Re: I-D Action: draft-jaeggli-interim-observations-00.txt

2012-10-15 Thread Melinda Shore
On 10/15/12 1:53 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > Sad as it is, getting folk together in a room helps focus the > discussion and provides many fewer opportunities for > misunderstanding… I don't like interim meetings, but unfortunately the IETF seems increasingly meeting-deadline driven so more deadline

Re: [IETF] Re: I-D Action: draft-jaeggli-interim-observations-00.txt

2012-10-15 Thread joel jaeggli
On 10/15/12 2:53 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: On Oct 15, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Randy Bush wrote: ok, i am lost. the draft is only an outline and has zero content? is it a quiz? No, I believe that it is very subtle satire, reflecting Joel's view on the utility of the meeting :-P or it's unsubtle an

Re: I-D Action: draft-jaeggli-interim-observations-00.txt

2012-10-15 Thread Randy Bush
[ i should know better than to get into this maelstrom, but .. ] > For me: Did it make any difference to you that it was a LIM rather > than simply a SIDR interim? no. face to face with the ability for remote participation is what counts. > Were logistics and resources worth the fee? not reall

Re: [IETF] Re: I-D Action: draft-jaeggli-interim-observations-00.txt

2012-10-15 Thread Warren Kumari
On Oct 15, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > ok, i am lost. the draft is only an outline and has zero content? is > it a quiz? No, I believe that it is very subtle satire, reflecting Joel's view on the utility of the meeting :-P > > imiho, the sidr meeting was useful and got work done

RE: I-D Action: draft-jaeggli-interim-observations-00.txt

2012-10-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
> ok, i am lost. the draft is only an outline and has zero content? is > it a quiz? Treat it like that and see if you can give Joel the right answers. For me: Did it make any difference to you that it was a LIM rather than simply a SIDR interim? Were logistics and resources worth the fee? Shoul

Re: I-D Action: draft-jaeggli-interim-observations-00.txt

2012-10-15 Thread Randy Bush
ok, i am lost. the draft is only an outline and has zero content? is it a quiz? imiho, the sidr meeting was useful and got work done which probably would have taken a lot more time online and would have had the wonderful email misunderstanding amplification. randy

Re: I-D Action: draft-jaeggli-interim-observations-00.txt

2012-10-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
Joel, Thanks for this stake in the ground as a starting point for recording observations on the LIM. As an AD who was not there, I believe it is really important that we try to capture this experience to decide whether to repeat the idea, and if so, how to improve it. Cheers, Adrian > -Origi

Re: Draft IESG Statement on Ethertype Assignments for IETF Protocols

2012-10-15 Thread IETF Chair
Based on the comments received from the IETF community and the IEEE RAC, the draft IESG statement has been updated. Comments on the revised text are solicited. On behalf of the IESG, Russ --- REVISED DRAFT IESG STATEMENT --- SUBJECT: Ethertype Assignments for IETF Protocols The IEEE Registr

Re: Antitrust FAQ

2012-10-15 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, October 15, 2012 09:14 -0500 Pete Resnick wrote: > My concern (along with many other folks) > only kicks in when the collection of this information starts > to look like a formal antitrust *policy*. I'm afraid that > having an antitrust policy starts to lead us down the path of >

Re: Antitrust FAQ

2012-10-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 15/10/2012 15:14, Pete Resnick wrote: > On 10/15/12 7:53 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: >> Pete, I have not been so frustrated and disappointed reading an IETF >> message at any time earlier this year. ... > Sam, I'm actually quite surprised at your reaction. In fairness to both of you, I can see why

Re: Antitrust FAQ

2012-10-15 Thread tglassey
On 10/15/2012 7:14 AM, Pete Resnick wrote: On 10/15/12 7:53 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: Pete, I have not been so frustrated and disappointed reading an IETF message at any time earlier this year. I'm disappointed because I'd like to work in an IETf climate where antitrust and related concerns are tak

Re: Antitrust FAQ

2012-10-15 Thread Pete Resnick
On 10/15/12 7:53 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: Pete, I have not been so frustrated and disappointed reading an IETF message at any time earlier this year. I'm disappointed because I'd like to work in an IETf climate where antitrust and related concerns are taken seriously. I need to believe that the IES

Re: Re: Antitrust FAQ

2012-10-15 Thread Sam Hartman
Pete, I have not been so frustrated and disappointed reading an IETF message at any time earlier this year. I'm disappointed because I'd like to work in an IETf climate where antitrust and related concerns are taken seriously. I need to believe that the IESG will take these issues seriously, will