Re: [manet] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-02.txt

2013-03-24 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Jazi, I disagree with draft-editors decision, comments below, On 3/23/13, Jiazi Yi i...@jiaziyi.com wrote: Dear AB, On this particular issue (threats of packet sequence number), as far as I can remember, the change was not based on (or influenced by) your input. In the meantime, the

On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections (was: Re: [manet] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-02.txt)

2013-03-24 Thread John Curran
On Mar 24, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: You mean the editors of this draft (I will note them as not acknowledging participants, for my future review). I am a MANET WG participants, but if you mention the names that made efforts it is more true because

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections (was: Re: [manet] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-02.txt)

2013-03-24 Thread David Morris
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013, John Curran wrote: On Mar 24, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: You mean the editors of this draft (I will note them as not acknowledging participants, for my future review). I am a MANET WG participants, but if you mention the

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections (was: Re: [manet] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-02.txt)

2013-03-24 Thread SM
At 08:46 24-03-2013, John Curran wrote: It is non-sensical to expect document editors to track and list everybody who had input on a given draft, particularly when one considers the volume of comments received on many of the mailing lists and working groups. I would expect a document editor to

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections (was: Re: [manet] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-02.txt)

2013-03-24 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I don't agree that editors should miss efforts and input owners for their individual-draft or WG draft. I think it is a shame that editors may ignore such efforts while they benefit from the input to change their draft. Why editor name is mentioned as authors not contributors while it may be the

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections (was: Re: [manet] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-02.txt)

2013-03-24 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Just to make things clear that the intention of documents acknowledging is to reflect the truth of any document process and connect information or resources. IMHO, it is not the purpose to show credit to any person including authors, it is to show how changes were developed and show true

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections

2013-03-24 Thread Melinda Shore
On 3/24/13 4:55 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: In this way we have connections between inputs otherwise the IETF system has no connection between its important information. We have the mailing list archives, we've got the document shepherd writeups, we've got the IESG evaluation record, we've got

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections

2013-03-24 Thread Melinda Shore
On 3/24/13 4:55 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: In this way we have connections between inputs otherwise the IETF system has no connection between its important information. We have the mailing list archives, we've got the document shepherd writeups, we've got the IESG evaluation record, we've got

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections

2013-03-24 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I think I at least partly disagree. The acknowledgements section of RFCs was not, and to the best of my knowledge is not, concerned with capturing the history of where specific changes or ideas came from. It ought to be concerned with giving credit to folks who made particularly large, but

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections

2013-03-24 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Mar 24, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joel M. Halpern j...@joelhalpern.com wrote: It ought to be concerned with giving credit to folks who made particularly large, but not authorship level, contributions to the document. +1 Further, the IETF should acknowledge that the contents of Acknowledgments

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections

2013-03-24 Thread Glen Zorn
On 03/25/2013 09:23 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: I think I at least partly disagree. The acknowledgements section of RFCs was not, and to the best of my knowledge is not, concerned with capturing the history of where specific changes or ideas came from. It ought to be concerned with giving

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections

2013-03-24 Thread Fernando Gont
On 03/24/2013 11:23 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: I have seen I-Ds which included change logs which made an effort to capture the major changes to a document and their cause. these were, at best, ungainly. And are, as far as I know, always removed before publicaiton as an RFC. I used to