Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-22 Thread Randy Bush
With respect to the question of proposed standard. What changes if the requested status is informational? I think just get rid of the normative language - SHOULDs, MUSTs, etc. that is orthogonal to info/ps next unnecessary rathole, please randy

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-22 Thread Randy Bush
joe, i spent time actually reading the document and commenting on it, one was a substantive comment, at least to me. any chance you could pull yourself away from the exemplary anti-productive nitpicking maelstrom for a few minutes and respond? thanks. randy

Re: Deployment of standards compliant nameservers

2013-05-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:07 +0200 Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr wrote: ... Although these tests certainly contributed to the good technical quality of the name servers, they were removed both for commercial reasons (a registry has to make money to pay its employees) and because

Re: Deployment of standards compliant nameservers

2013-05-22 Thread Yoav Nir
On May 22, 2013, at 3:10 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:07 +0200 Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr wrote: ... Although these tests certainly contributed to the good technical quality of the name servers, they were removed both for

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-22 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Randy, On 2013-05-21, at 11:23, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: i have read the draft. if published, i would prefer it as a proposed standard as it does specify protocol data objects. Noted, thanks. It does seem that the main objection to the standards track for this document is that I

RE: Deployment of standards compliant nameservers

2013-05-22 Thread Moriarty, Kathleen
Back when I worked at a service provider, we helped customers with their DNS configurations, Sendmail, usenet news (yes, it was a long time ago), and other services. If they were new customers, we would help them with the setup or if something was broken we would look at the configuration,

Re: Deployment of standards compliant nameservers

2013-05-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:29 + Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: Occasional fantasies about IETF enforcement power and the Protocol Police notwithstanding, it seems to me that, if one wanted to require standards-conforming nameservers, the most (and maybe only) effective way to

RE: Deployment of standards compliant nameservers

2013-05-22 Thread SM
At 05:56 22-05-2013, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: providers. While tying this to contracts seems like a good idea, that is out of our hands at the IETF. If we went down the path of enforcement through contracts, I wouldn't view this as picking fights, but rather a proactive service to 'help'

Re: Deployment of standards compliant nameservers

2013-05-22 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 6.2.5.6.2.20130522123025.0b3ef...@resistor.net, SM writes: At 05:56 22-05-2013, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: providers. While tying this to contracts seems like a good idea, that is out of our hands at the IETF. If we went down the path of enforcement through contracts, I wouldn't

Re: Proposed Standards and Expert Review (was: Re: Last Call draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard))

2013-05-22 Thread Dale R. Worley
From: John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com My problem here, which I hope was clear from the note from which you quoted, is that a request/document in the second category was proposed for Standards Track and then that comments that would be entirely appropriate for a Last Call on a Standards

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-22 Thread Dale R. Worley
From: Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com On 05/21/2013 10:04 AM, Joe Abley wrote: With respect, *my* question as the author of this document is simply whether the specification provided is unambiguous and sufficient. It was my understanding that this was the question before the

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-05-22 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Dale R. Worley wor...@ariadne.com wrote: ... Coming into this from the outside, the issues are interesting. I originally thought RRTYPEs are scarce, since all the ones I was aware of are less than 256. But it turns out that RRTYPEs are 16 bit integers, and

Re: Deployment of standards compliant nameservers

2013-05-22 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 9506594e9e3cb989afbc0...@jck-hp8200.jck.com, John C Klensin writes: --On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:29 + Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: Occasional fantasies about IETF enforcement power and the Protocol Police notwithstanding, it seems to me that, if one wanted

RFC 6932 on Brainpool Elliptic Curves for the Internet Key Exchange (IKE) Group Description Registry

2013-05-22 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6932 Title: Brainpool Elliptic Curves for the Internet Key Exchange (IKE) Group Description Registry Author: D. Harkins, Ed.

RFC 6953 on Protocol to Access White-Space (PAWS) Databases: Use Cases and Requirements

2013-05-22 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6953 Title: Protocol to Access White-Space (PAWS) Databases: Use Cases and Requirements Author: A. Mancuso, Ed., S. Probasco, B. Patil

WG Action: Rechartered Javascript Object Signing and Encryption (jose)

2013-05-22 Thread The IESG
The Javascript Object Signing and Encryption (jose) working group in the Security Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional information please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Javascript Object Signing and Encryption (jose)

Last Call: draft-ietf-lwig-terminology-04.txt (Terminology for Constrained Node Networks) to Informational RFC

2013-05-22 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG (lwig) to consider the following document: - 'Terminology for Constrained Node Networks' draft-ietf-lwig-terminology-04.txt as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and