Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Yoav Nir
On Jul 28, 2013, at 6:23 AM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: I would be very sorry to see IETF *working* meetings turned into something closer to conferences, with poster sessions! And mandatory suit and tie (or women's equivalent business attire) for presenters and chairs.

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Yoav Nir
On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On Jul 28, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: On 7/27/13 8:13 PM, Randy Bush wrote: yup. i guess it is time for my quarterly suggestion to remove the projectors and screens. Then I guess it's time for my

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Marc Petit-Huguenin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/28/2013 09:10 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On Jul 28, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: On 7/27/13 8:13 PM, Randy Bush wrote: yup. i guess it is time for my

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Yoav Nir
On Jul 28, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin petit...@acm.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/28/2013 09:10 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On Jul 28, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Melinda Shore

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Marc Petit-Huguenin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/28/2013 09:47 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: On Jul 28, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin petit...@acm.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/28/2013 09:10 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Keith

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

2013-07-28 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 28, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: putting up yuotube/vimeo tutorials on the wg's technical space would be a good thing for folk with spare time to do. i am sure we could arrange pointer space on the wg's web page. Effective video presentations are _hard_.

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Yoav Nir
On Jul 28, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin petit...@acm.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/28/2013 09:47 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: On Jul 28, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin petit...@acm.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread SM
As an off-topic note, thanks to Alexa, Alexey, Jari, Lorenzo and the Meetecho team. At 16:52 27-07-2013, Aaron Yi DING wrote: What do you mean by conference? too much information inferred in your term that may confuse others on the list. Will appreciate, if you can share bit more on it,

Re: [payload] Last Call: draft-ietf-payload-vp8-08.txt (RTP Payload Format for VP8 Video) to Proposed Standard

2013-07-28 Thread Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
So do you expect your implementations on devices with hardware acceleration to have any limits on resolution of images they can decode? I can't imagine how I could implement the frame buffers in VP8 in VLSI without having an upper limit on both the width and height of the image. How do you

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Aaron Yi DING
On 28/07/13 01:27, Melinda Shore wrote: On 7/27/13 3:52 PM, Aaron Yi DING wrote: What do you mean by conference? too much information inferred in your term that may confuse others on the list. Will appreciate, if you can share bit more on it, behind the single term conference that you

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com wrote: nroff still works fine for me. It's already there in Mac OS X. Only the topic of the conversation is how to get more people involved in IETF, not how to make them run away screaming and crying. -- Website:

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Why not put the presentations up on YouTube as podcasts. That way people can watch them before starting off for the meeting. On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Arturo Servin arturo.ser...@gmail.comwrote: I agree with Randy. Presentation material, documents, etc. should be

Re: Oh look! [Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials]

2013-07-28 Thread Arturo Servin
Why during the F2F IETF meeting? It seems that is not a good way to use the time of an AD during the F2F IETF meeting. I think is a good idea to provide people remote-access to ADs, but doing it during the F2F IETF meeting does not look like a good use of resources. /as On

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Douglas Otis
On Jul 28, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Arturo Servin arturo.ser...@gmail.com wrote: That may work as well. It depends on the time that the presenters have to make the material available. The important is to have discussion-material available in advance. It could be a

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Arturo Servin
Douglas, Totally agree that a requirement is that F2F and remote are equals. I even believe that a presentation-less format (as the described) is better for remote participants. About the minor changes, perhaps. Not very convinced but it could be. In the same line, what about to

Re: Last Call: draft-bormann-cbor-04.txt (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-07-28 Thread Zach Shelby
I have reviewed this version of the CBOR draft, and am fully supportive of this as a proposed standard. For IoT applications over CoAP and other protocols, there is a clear need for a standard binary object representation with a straightforward mapping to JSON that is suitable for constrained

Re: Last Call: draft-bormann-cbor-04.txt (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-07-28 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
The question I want an answer to is whether this is going to be the only standard for a binary version of JSON allowed. I have an alternative proposal which is designed to be compatible with JSON so that existing encoder and decoder implementations can be used and so that a single decoder can

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-28 Thread Brian Haberman
Hi Dave, I am not Jari, but I do have an opinion on your thoughts below... On 7/29/13 1:25 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: I've been finding discussion and actions about newcomers far more interesting this year, than most previous ones. So I think it's worth pressing on several fronts, to see