Of governments and representation (was: Montevideo Statement)

2013-10-11 Thread John Curran
Folks - As a result of the Internet's growing social and economic importance, the underlying Internet structures are receiving an increasing level of attention by both governments and civil society. The recent revelations regarding US government surveillance of the Internet are now

Re: Of governments and representation (was: Montevideo Statement)

2013-10-11 Thread John Curran
On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote: Just to start, there is no clear consensus of what Internet Governance means and entails. You are correct. The term Internet Governance is a term of art, and a poor one at that. It is the term that governments like to use,

Re: procedural question with remote participation

2013-08-05 Thread John Curran
On Aug 4, 2013, at 2:20 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: I also note that the 1 week cutoff that Michael suggests would, in most cases, eliminate had no choice without impeding WG progress as an excuse. A week in advance of the meeting, there should be time, if necessary to find

Re: stability of iana.org URLs

2013-08-01 Thread John Curran
On Jul 31, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: That's true, but cool URIs don't change: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html Even cooler would have been URN's (e.g. urn:ietf:enterprise-numbers), which was designed specifically as a persistent handle to

Re: moving more responsibility to working groups

2013-07-29 Thread John Curran
Jari - Thanks for the excellent writeup of the situation; the hypothesis regarding the problem and the experiment to address look to be a an appropriate response. Thanks! /John On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:07 AM, IETF Chair ch...@ietf.org wrote: I would like to report an experiment that the

Re: The Nominating Committee Process: Eligibility

2013-06-27 Thread John Curran
On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:50 AM, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote: Hello, RFC 3777 specifies the process by which members of the Internet Architecture Board, Internet Engineering Steering Group and IETF Administrative Oversight Committee are selected, confirmed, and recalled.

Re: The Nominating Committee Process: Eligibility

2013-06-27 Thread John Curran
On Jun 27, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: Why not just say directly that 'to prevent capture, no more than X% of the NomCom may work for a single organization' (where X is 15% or so, so that even if a couple collude, they still can't get control). There are

Re: [IETF] IETF, ICANN and Whois (Was Re: Last Call: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt (The Internet Numbers Registry System) to Informational RFC)

2013-06-21 Thread John Curran
On Jun 19, 2013, at 8:43 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: ... The point, Warren (and others) is that all of these are ICANN doing technical stuff and even technical standards in a broad sense of that term. Some of it is stuff that the IETF really should not want to do (I'm

Re: [IETF] IETF, ICANN and Whois (Was Re: Last Call: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt (The Internet Numbers Registry System) to Informational RFC)

2013-06-21 Thread John Curran
On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:56 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: While I agree with the above (and am still trying to avoid carrying this conversation very far on the IETF list), I think another part of the puzzle is that there are also situations in which technical considerations imply

Re: Not Listening to the Ops Customer

2013-06-02 Thread John Curran
On Jun 1, 2013, at 2:52 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: On the technical side, I believe that there was a general belief in 1993 that we would be able to map out a unified, clear, transition strategy for IPv6 and give simple advice about it. John is correct in terms of belief

Re: [IETF] Not Listening to the Ops Customer (more)

2013-06-02 Thread John Curran
On Jun 2, 2013, at 10:15 AM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Saturday, June 01, 2013 11:28 -0400 Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: ... It turns out that as soon as you envisage a network in which some nodes only support 32 bit addresses and other nodes can't get a globally

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt (The Internet Numbers Registry System) to Informational RFC

2013-05-17 Thread John Curran
On May 15, 2013, at 7:50 PM, David Farmer far...@umn.edu wrote: So lets play a little hypothetical here; What if an RIR or ICANN through a global policy decided Whois Data no longer should be public for overriding privacy reasons. My read of Section 5, is that would be proper path for such

Re: draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01

2013-04-08 Thread John Curran
On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:06 AM, David Farmer far...@umn.edu wrote: 3. Regarding Public WHOIS in section 4; The constituencies and stakeholders for Public WHOIS are much broader than just the technical community, a number of constituencies in civil society have legitimate interests in Public

Re: Sufficient email authentication requirements for IPv6

2013-03-29 Thread John Curran
On Mar 29, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: My belief is that IP address reputation has always been flakey, it's just vastly more so with IPv6. What we need is a way to identify a entity subnet size. This work is probably wasted on IPv4, but it's definitely

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections

2013-03-25 Thread John Curran
On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: My habit is to have the document source (and rendered copy) open on my screen as I read and digest comments. If I make a change to the document following someone's comment, I add them to the Acknowledgements section (and

On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections (was: Re: [manet] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-02.txt)

2013-03-24 Thread John Curran
On Mar 24, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: You mean the editors of this draft (I will note them as not acknowledging participants, for my future review). I am a MANET WG participants, but if you mention the names that made efforts it is more true because

Architecture (was: Re: Less Corporate Diversity)

2013-03-22 Thread John Curran
On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: ... Another result is that the Internet architecture has gone to hell, and we're now spending a huge amount of effort building kludges to fix the problems associated with other kludges and the new kludges will

Re: Architecture

2013-03-22 Thread John Curran
On Mar 22, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: I don't think we're in disagreement. I think that more diversity in IETF would help minimize the risk that some interests were shortchanged, but I certainly agree that another factor is a lack of understanding of,

Re: Please review draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt

2013-03-20 Thread John Curran
On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:30 PM, David Farmer far...@umn.edu wrote: I wonder if it wouldn't be appropriate to at least provide some suggestions for how this is to be accomplished. Maybe request that future RFCs related to these technical and operational considerations include an applicability

Re: Please review draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt

2013-03-20 Thread John Curran
On Mar 20, 2013, at 3:25 PM, David Farmer far...@umn.edu wrote: xxx is obligated to ... wasn't intended as a suggestions for text, but like I paraphrased the text from the draft above, and I intended it to paraphrase the the text that needs to be added. The text above quoted from the draft

Re: Please review draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt

2013-03-20 Thread John Curran
On Mar 20, 2013, at 4:04 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: I might as well comment quickly about draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00. The draft is a good effort but it might need more work in my humble opinion. The intended status is Informational. Is there a reason for that? The RFC is not

Re: Please review draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt

2013-03-20 Thread John Curran
On Mar 20, 2013, at 8:45 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Ok. I'll defer to the learned individuals of the IETF in respect to the intended status. It is my understanding that the document also aims to replace BCP 12. Excellent question; it's my belief that obsoleting RFC2050 would do that,