Re: Gen-ART LC review of draft-dusseault-http-patch-15.txt

2009-11-25 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I've added extra explanatory text in section 2 as well as the Security Considerations section. It's normative, but dependent on the use case being appropriate, which gives emphasis to the implementor but still allows the right thing to be done. Lisa On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Brian E Carpe

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-17 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> wrote: > In fact, lightning talks are SOP at most operator group meetings. > I think that would be an excellent experiment. > >Brian > > I agree, and in fact I've suggested lightning talks too; I think it tilts

Re: Last Call: draft-dusseault-http-patch (PATCH Method for HTTP) to Proposed Standard

2009-10-30 Thread Lisa Dusseault
Hi, On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:29 AM, SM wrote: > > In Section 2: > >  "If the entire patch document cannot be successfully applied >   then the server MUST fail the entire request, applying none >   of the changes." > > I suggest rewriting the sentence: > >   If the entire patch document cannot

Re: Last Call: draft-dusseault-http-patch (PATCH Method for HTTP) to Proposed Standard

2009-10-30 Thread Lisa Dusseault
Hi, On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Nikunj R. Mehta wrote: > > This draft places unreasonable restriction on servers about processing > requests. Specifically, in §2.2, > > [[ > Concurrent modification: When a server receives multiple concurrent requests > to modify a resource, those requests S

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-idnabis-bidi (Right-to-left scripts for IDNA) to Draft Standard

2009-10-01 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote: > I object to publishing these IDNA documents as a Draft Standard.  I > don't view IDNA2008 as a revision of the earlier IDNA2003 protocol.  The > design goals have changed since the first IDNA version.  Finally, there > have been little imple

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Internationalized Domain Names in Applications, Revised (idnabis)

2009-08-22 Thread Lisa Dusseault
You can probably blame my vacation as well as process defaults for some confusion... I was already in Canada last week when we had the telechat where the IESG approved sending out the 1-line diff proposed for the charter, and I didn't take the time or stretch the process so that the charter discuss

Re: Last Call: draft-dusseault-impl-reports (Guidance on Interoperation and Implementation Reports) to BCP

2009-05-27 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I think this is also a good idea and will try to come up with something for the next draft. thanks, Lisa On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: > Overall, I like this document and support it going forward. > > One thing it doesn't mention (and did come up when I was an AD) is the

Re: Last Call: draft-dusseault-impl-reports (Guidance on Interoperation and Implementation Reports) to BCP

2009-05-26 Thread Lisa Dusseault
Will do, assuming my co-author agrees. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > At 2:45 PM -0700 5/26/09, Lisa Dusseault wrote: >>Good suggestions.  I do agree with explaining why a subset was tested >>and how that subset was chosen.  In some cases, however, list

Re: Last Call: draft-dusseault-impl-reports (Guidance on Interoperation and Implementation Reports) to BCP

2009-05-26 Thread Lisa Dusseault
support) or even contrary to privacy agreements. Lisa On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:50:52AM -0700, >  Lisa Dusseault wrote >  a message of 43 lines which said: > >> Do you have any suggestions for criteria tha

Re: Last Call: draft-dusseault-impl-reports (Guidance on Interoperation and Implementation Reports) to BCP

2009-05-26 Thread Lisa Dusseault
That's an excellent question, but I think like so many others it has to fall under the judgement of the person writing the implementation report. Is it OK to just test 2 implementations or is it important to test 2 servers and 2 clients? It might be possible to go to an interoperability forum and

Re: Last Call: draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl (DNS Blacklists and Whitelists)

2008-11-11 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I'm the sponsor of the DNSBL Internet-Draft. I've been following this discussion and it seems to me there have been fair objections raised to putting the document as-is on the Standards Track. I'll consult with the authors about whether they'd like to figure out exactly what the IETF does have co

Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (alto)

2008-10-15 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Vijay K. Gurbani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Narayanan, Vidya wrote: > > Peer selection is important to ISPs from a network utilization perspective >> and to peers themselves from a performance perspective. That automatically >> makes peer selection a function of m

Re: [p2pi] WG Review: Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (alto)

2008-10-10 Thread Lisa Dusseault
Lakshminath and Vidya, Vijay, Enrico and Stefano have said what I was going to say (e.g. below) -- as sponsoring AD for this charter I've been following the WG discussion, working with the rest of the IESG, and talking to people to confirm that there's better consensus on the list, even if there w

Re: Last Call: RFC2183 to obsolete RFC1806

2008-09-10 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Sep 8, 2008, at 5:06 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > > Please reserve Last Calls for situations in which community > input or demonstrations of community consensus are actually > needed. Perhaps an announcement specifically calling out the approval of the errata would have been better. I was t

Re: Strong Opposition due to spam blowback issues - Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-sieve-refuse-reject

2008-08-18 Thread Lisa Dusseault
kscatter, itself a form of spam. Lisa -Matthew On 8/7/08 6:44 PM, Lisa Dusseault wrote: Hi, I'm on vacation next week so I haven't put this document on the Aug 14 IESG telechat. The Aug 28 telechat is the next opportunity for IESG Evaluation. That timing gives you three week

Re: Strong Opposition due to blowback issues - Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-sieve-refuse-reject

2008-08-07 Thread Lisa Dusseault
Hi, I'm on vacation next week so I haven't put this document on the Aug 14 IESG telechat. The Aug 28 telechat is the next opportunity for IESG Evaluation. That timing gives you three weeks before the first possible decision on the document. The WG considered your arguments in the past y

Re: New schemes vs recycling "http:" (Re: Past LC comments on draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-08)

2008-08-07 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Tim Bray wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Keith Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: The TAG is in fact clearly correct when they state that introduction of new URI schemes is quite expensive. To me it seems that this depends on the extent to which those ne

Re: New schemes vs recycling "http:" (Re: Past LC comments ondraft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-08)

2008-08-07 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Aug 7, 2008, at 3:48 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: Hannes, thanks for the pointers Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote: ... Reading through the mails again I unfortunately cannot find a strong recommendations. It seems that reading through RFC 3205 we got confused. Initially, th

Re: Past LC comments on draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-08

2008-08-06 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Aug 6, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: Is the concern that a client that does a GET on an HTTP URI, and receive a response with that MIME type, still wouldn't know whether it's seeing a genuine HELD response, or just some static XML document served by a web server? Before t

Re: Past LC comments on draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-08

2008-08-06 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I believe I instigated the creation of a new URI scheme for HELD. That's not to say, however, that I or the IESG required that solution -- to elaborate on what Martin said, I raised some issues, and the URI scheme was added after my review, but other solutions might work instead of new URI

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-2822upd (Internet Message Format) toDraft Standard

2008-05-22 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I had some email outage and only saw this after today's IESG Evaluation, sorry. I didn't see consensus for a particular change as a result of this conversation. There was widespread agreement that X-headers are messy, but not what to say about them. Lisa On May 21, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Brian

Re: Proposed IESG Statement Regarding RFC Errata for IETF Sream RFCs

2008-04-17 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I can assure you, I at least was anticipating that the IESG (and other people handling errata) would be doing *more* work in classifying errata if we have the three categories. The goal as I see it is to avoid presenting 50 errata on an RFC to a user, without any sorting or focus, when onl

Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-rfc2821bis: closing the implicit MX issue

2008-04-15 Thread Lisa Dusseault
Hi Keith, I've been working with Tony and John very closely on this issue, and whether it smells foul or not, I think this is the best we can do. Tony was very diligent about having conversation on all aspects and looking at a number of different resolutions including the one he recommend

Re: IONs, RFC 4693, Core Process Documents, and BCPs

2008-03-13 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Mar 8, 2008, at 10:39 PM, Frank Ellermann wrote: That is also a part of the ION concept: *Public*, *documented*, and *binding* rules without the need to track down obscure IAB pages, IESG minutes, or recent change patrol in a wgchairs wiki. I agree with the desire, and we have discussed

Consensus so far on IDN(A)

2008-03-04 Thread Lisa Dusseault
ur comments to the IESG mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by > March 4, > 2008. > > Internationalized Domain Name (idn) > = > Last modified: 2008-02-18 > > Current Status: Proposed Working Group > > Chair(s): > > TBD > > Applications

Re: Hasty attempt to create an IDN WG (Was: WG Review: Internationalized Domain Name (idn)

2008-03-04 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Mar 3, 2008, at 5:38 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: - Separate requirements for valid IDNs at registration time, vs. at resolution time This means casting in stone one specific approach, and a dangerous one.. And the discussions on the existing idna-update list show that the decision o

Re: Last Call: draft-wilde-sms-uri (URI Scheme for GSM Short Message Service) to Proposed Standard

2007-11-23 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Nov 23, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Andrew Newton wrote: On Nov 21, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: 1) as far as I understand the needs to defining an address for sending SMS, I would want to understand why it would not be better to a tel URI than define a new type. Defining new types

Re: XML updates Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-simple-xml-patch-ops (An Extensible Markup Language (XML) Patch Operations Framework Utilizing XML Path Language (XPath) Selectors) to Proposed Standard

2007-09-20 Thread Lisa Dusseault
ion might occur. You might call for participation, because without people like you contributing text and volunteering to edit and review, it can't get done :) Thanks, Lisa On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Tom.Petch wrote: - Original Message - From: "Lisa Dusseault" <

Re: XML updates Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-simple-xml-patch-ops (An Extensible Markup Language (XML) Patch Operations Framework Utilizing XML Path Language (XPath) Selectors) to Proposed Standard

2007-09-18 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I would be happy to encourage work on IETF-wide guidance for XML usage (I guess that's what I'm doing now?). The Apps area has an XML directorate and supposedly we have some XML expertise to call on -- sometimes we do XML usage reviews for the other IETF areas. Lisa On Sep 18, 2007, at 10

Re: RFC 1345 mnemonics table not consistent with Unicode 3.2.0

2007-08-30 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Aug 25, 2007, at 7:11 PM, Ben Finney wrote: I'd like to discuss this with the people who made the original RFC 1345 character mnemonic table. How would I get in touch with the authors of RFC 1345? It wasn't my intention to write a new discussion draft, but it seems that since my purpose is

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-06-04 Thread Lisa Dusseault
y specific text this could help the authors. Thanks, Lisa On May 22, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Lisa Dusseault wrote: Thanks for everybody's input on this. I interpret the discussion as showing consensus for a comment with a warning near the definition of LWSP. Details: I counted 18 opinions.

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-22 Thread Lisa Dusseault
org/pipermail/ietf-dkim/2007q1/007295.html - https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi? command=view_comment&id=66440 (in this tracker comment, Chris Newman recommended to remove LWSP, but for backward-compatibility it's probably better to keep it and re

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-14 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On May 14, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: Lisa Dusseault wrote: The IESG reviewed <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft- crocker-rfc4234bis-00.txt> for publication as Internet Standard and would like to know if there is consensus to recommend against the use of LWSP in

Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-14 Thread Lisa Dusseault
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi? command=view_comment&id=66440 (in this tracker comment, Chris Newman recommended to remove LWSP, but for backward-compatibility it's probably better to keep it and recommend against use) Thanks for your input,

Re: Last Call: draft-siemborski-rfc2554bis (SMTP Service Extension for Authentication) to Proposed Standard

2007-01-26 Thread Lisa Dusseault
Hi Philip, thanks for the review. But are we looking at the same version of this doc? We dealt with this after doing a pseudo-WG-last- call on the SMTP mailing list and the -07 draft now has: To ensure interoperability, client and server implementations of this extension

Re: "Discuss" criteria

2007-01-01 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Jan 1, 2007, at 4:49 PM, John C Klensin wrote: ... regardless of what we do, some of these will ultimately hit the IESG during final review (as well as agreeing that the Kerberos WG is a poor example). However, I think your comment could be construed as a little too accepting of the situation

Re: "Discuss" criteria

2006-12-31 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: There is perhaps one more aspect to "Can somebody explain ..." that is worth considering. In some cases, the AD simply does not have the expertise or simply has incorrect/wrong understanding. In that case, the burden is on the autho

Re: "Discuss" criteria

2006-12-30 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: Meta-point: Something quite basic that is missing from the draft on Discuss Criteria is a requirement that any Discuss not only explain its precise normative basis, but that it give a clear statement of what actions must be

Re: Comments on draft-dusseault-caldav-15 and draft-newman-i18n-comparator-14

2006-09-25 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:20 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: But as a matter of fact, draft-newman-i18n-comparator-14 doesn't define any collations that would actually solve the Unicode NF issue, so it's not really clear how this helps CalDAV (except that it now uses a framework in which the solut

Re: Last Call: 'Calendaring Extensions to WebDAV (CalDAV)' to Proposed Standard (draft-dusseault-caldav)

2006-08-29 Thread Lisa Dusseault
Hi Julian!I apologize for not responding to your comments made during the 2nd last call (the last call specifically on the topic of the downref), but I can assure you we (Cyrus, Bernard and I) didn't ignore those comments, nor would we ever do that intentionally.  You've made many useful comments t

Re: [Ietf-caldav] Last Call comment on Etag requirements in draft-dusseault-caldav-12

2006-06-20 Thread Lisa Dusseault
org/internet-drafts/draft-whitehead-http-etag-00.txt> with no consensus on the basic model or apparent drive to come to consensus. Got any feedback on that draft? Lisa -wsv On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Lisa Dusseault wrote: Wilfredo, does it make a difference that CalDA

Re: [Ietf-caldav] Last Call comment on Etag requirements in draft-dusseault-caldav-12

2006-06-20 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: Lisa Dusseault schrieb: Xythos WFC and Chandler (the Zanshin library that does WebDAV in python) behave this way and make the assumption I describe. How else would you expect a caching or synching client to behave after doing a PUT

Re: [Ietf-caldav] Last Call comment on Etag requirements in draft-dusseault-caldav-12

2006-06-20 Thread Lisa Dusseault
assumptions that are only valid on some server implementations. We know we need a solution; I just don't agree that CalDAV is the right place to specify it. I do understand how it's convenient. -wsv On Jun 19, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Lisa Dusseault wrote: It's worse

Re: [Ietf-caldav] Last Call comment on Etag requirements in draft-dusseault-caldav-12

2006-06-20 Thread Lisa Dusseault
ETag? Even if there are such clients, the behavior we describe avoids nasty errors on both such clients and clients like WFC. It's the conservative choice. Lisa On Jun 19, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: Lisa Dusseault schrieb: On Jun 15, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Wilfredo Sánchez

Re: [Ietf-caldav] Last Call comment on Etag requirements in draft-dusseault-caldav-12

2006-06-19 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Jun 15, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Wilfredo Sánchez Vega wrote: I agree with Julian. As we've mentioned before, Apache returns a weak ETag on PUT, which turns into a strong ETag sometime later. If clients rely on being able to use that ETag on a GET later, they won't work with Apache, and

Re: [Ietf-caldav] Last Call comment on Etag requirements in draft-dusseault-caldav-12

2006-04-27 Thread Lisa Dusseault
Thanks for the input. Speaking as a document author here, I'm confident we've made a decent set of tradeoffs, balancing possible risks against benefits, and attempting to minimize the risks too. The basic risk is that any requirements related to ETags may conflict with future requirements.

Re: IETF Last Call under RFC 3683 concerning JFC (Jefsey) Morfin

2006-01-21 Thread Lisa Dusseault
tion. I approve of this escalation and think we should not set the bar so high that no WG or DL can ever successfully send the message that a PR-action sends. Lisa Dusseault On Jan 20, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Michael Everson wrote: From: Sam Hartman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This is why

Re: Why have we gotten away from running code?

2005-08-19 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Aug 10, 2005, at 1:40 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I've been thinking about this on and off for a day, and I'm not convinced that having running code at the time a specification is first fleshed out would be all that helpful. Can you point to any instance in recent IETF history (after

WebDAV server for sharing WG presentations

2004-11-12 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I've previously announced the availability of this server to WG Chairs, now to announce it more widely: http://ietf.webdav.org There are already a few WG directories on this server such as http://ietf.webdav.org/webdav http://ietf.webdav.org/enum If you have presentation material or meeting notes

RE: Building a new work group for public information retrieval protocol, ask for advices.

2004-01-09 Thread Lisa Dusseault
There used to exist a DASL WG and its main proposal included a framework for sending Search requests to Web servers (including WebDAV servers). The framework was complemented by one proposed syntax for searching the resources stored directly on that server according to their metadata values. Anoth

RE: WG Review: Centralized Conferencing (xcon)

2003-08-21 Thread Lisa Dusseault
I'm also concerned that conferencing semantics could lead to basic interoperability problems that would be difficult to surmount. If you can imagine XMPP in common usage for either instant messaging or software agent communication (think 'bots') and also SIMPLE in common usage for instant messag