Agenda known in advance? was Re: Experiment for different schedule for Friday

2011-08-23 Thread Shane Kerr
Russ, On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 17:24 -0400, IETF Chair wrote: The IESG is considering a different schedule for the Friday of IETF 82. The IESG is seeking your input on these potential changes. The IESG would like to try a schedule experiment on Friday, using this schedule: In principle this

Re: Agenda known in advance? was Re: Experiment for different schedule for Friday

2011-08-23 Thread Shane Kerr
Glen, On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 17:14 +0700, Glen Zorn wrote: If the idea of not fixing agendas is to remain, then any experiments for extending the Friday schedule pretty much mean that everyone has to extend their stay, doesn't it? I think if we want to use Friday time properly, then

Re: Where to find IETF recommendations?

2011-03-02 Thread Shane Kerr
tried to interest the IETF in producing road maps for all the major protocols/protocol families. As a worked example, we produced a roadmap for TCP. It seems to me that you are asking for more roadmaps. Bob Braden On 3/1/2011 4:18 AM, Shane Kerr wrote: Mark, FWIW, this came up

Re: Where to find IETF recommendations?

2011-03-02 Thread Shane Kerr
Andrew, On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 07:29 -0500, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 01:18:12PM +0100, Shane Kerr wrote: FWIW, this came up in the dnsext working group a few years ago. In the end, I don't think anything was done, which is kind of a shame. Nothing was done for want

Re: Where to find IETF recommendations?

2011-03-02 Thread Shane Kerr
Joel, On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 12:49 -0800, Joel Jaeggli wrote: in v6ops ops we have documents like: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-jankiewicz-v6ops-v4v6biblio-03.txt Cool, this is actually the document I was looking for when I started this thread - even if it doesn't have the logging

Re: Where to find IETF recommendations?

2011-03-02 Thread Shane Kerr
Tony, Dave, On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 19:59 +, Tony Finch wrote: On 1 Mar 2011, at 18:56, Dave CROCKER d...@dcrocker.net wrote: If you all promise to keep in mind that it is only a /very/ rough and formative effort, please take a look at: http://bbiw.net/trac/suites/ This seems

Re: Where to find IETF recommendations?

2011-03-01 Thread Shane Kerr
: From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Shane Kerr [sh...@isc.org] My question is... how is this advice expected to trickle out into actual use? There are more than 6000 RFCs, and they don't seem to be organized in a useful way that I

Where to find IETF recommendations?

2011-02-28 Thread Shane Kerr
All, I just happened to notice this document on ietf-announce today: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-server-logging-recommendations/ It seems quite reasonable. My question is... how is this advice expected to trickle out into actual use? There are more than 6000 RFCs, and

Re: Where to find IETF recommendations?

2011-02-28 Thread Shane Kerr
wrote: Shane, Like this one, aren't recommendations usually published as BCPs? Bob On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Shane Kerr wrote: All, I just happened to notice this document on ietf-announce today: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-server-logging

Publishing list of non-paying IETF attendees, was Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets

2010-11-12 Thread Shane Kerr
Yoav, On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 11:08 +0200, Yoav Nir wrote: On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:36 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: I don't agree. If there is people essential to the meeting but can't pay, as we all pay for that, we have the right to know. I disagree with that. There is a privacy issue

DNSCurve vs. DNSSEC - FIGHT! (was OpenDNS today announced it has adopted DNSCurve to secure DNS)

2010-02-24 Thread Shane Kerr
Phillip, On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 10:00 -0500, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: I took a look at DNSCurve. Some points: * It could certainly win. * It is designed as a hack rather than an extension. * It considers real world requirements that DNSSEC does not. On the 'winning' front. Have people

draft-jabley-sink-arpa, was Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers ...

2010-01-11 Thread Shane Kerr
John, On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 12:25 -0500, John R. Levine wrote: for the record, sink.arpa document was my idea and Joe volunteered to help it has nothing to do with his day time job but is related to something that Joe cares about, having explicit documentation of special cases. In that

Minutiae, was Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers ...

2010-01-11 Thread Shane Kerr
John, On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 17:13 -0500, John C Klensin wrote: I am extremely concerned about getting into a situation in which the IETF spends time debating issues that are basically minutiae, designing (or fine-tuning) procedures or naming schemes in a committee of a few thousand.

RE: IPv4 addresses eaten by... what? (was: IPv6 standard)

2009-09-29 Thread Shane Kerr
Tony, [top-posting since that's what you did] AIUI, the intention is not for the RIRs to be controlling the market, but rather to provide the same value they do now: a location where I can see who is responsible for a given address. I think the RIRs all have a transfer policy now. So when a

Re: XML2RFC must die, was: Re: Two different threads - IETF Document Format

2009-07-06 Thread Shane Kerr
Iljitsch, On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 15:24 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: My apologies for the subject line. I'm very disappointed that the silent majority of draft authors isn't speaking up. I can't imagine that the vast majority of draft authors has absolutely no problems with XML2RFC.

Re: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end

2009-06-08 Thread Shane Kerr
Ohta-san, On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 12:04 +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote: Shane Kerr wrote: I think we all understand that it is possible to inject bad data into the DNS at the parent. I the parent in the same sense as in RFC 1034 - the delegating level. So, for EXAMPLE.COM this would be COM

Re: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end

2009-06-05 Thread Shane Kerr
Ohta-san, On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 21:32 +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote: I mention transport security merely because it is still required with DNSSEC, because administrative security of DNSSEC is cryptographically weak. I think we all understand that it is possible to inject bad data into the DNS at

Re: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end

2009-06-05 Thread Shane Kerr
Ohta-san, On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 22:15 +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote: I think we all understand that it is possible to inject bad data into the DNS at the parent. What do you mean the parent? Do you mean master zone file of the parent or some caching server expected by a client to have

Re: IETF 78 Announcement

2009-05-27 Thread Shane Kerr
Janet, Driving from Amsterdam is likely to be expensive - rental, fuel, and parking are all pricey in Holland, and you run the risk of very long traffic jams (605 kilometers total yesterday - about 3x the distance from Amsterdam to Maastricht - a new record). OTOH it's not far, and parts of it

Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: Can the RIRs bypass the IETF and do their own thing?

2007-05-16 Thread Shane Kerr
Michael, [ stripping out a lot of content to just say what I want to say... ] On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 10:38:11AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this point, I think it is inappropriate to continue the Central ULA discussion on the RIR policy lists. Agreed. In fact, if any policy were to

Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: Can the RIRs bypass the IETF and do their own thing?

2007-05-14 Thread Shane Kerr
Brian, On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 01:34:31PM +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2007-05-11 23:32, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: The RIRs don't depend on IETF at all, they can define global policies for things that the IETF failed to complete if that's the case. IANA can be instructed the same by