Re: [IETF] Not Listening to the Ops Customer

2013-06-02 Thread John C Klensin
--On Saturday, June 01, 2013 11:28 -0400 Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: ... I *really* want to make sure that my CEO always gets the same address, and want him to be assigned specific DNS servers and use a certain gateway. The folk who manage the DHCP are the Internal Services

Re: [IETF] Not Listening to the Ops Customer (more)

2013-06-02 Thread John Curran
On Jun 2, 2013, at 10:15 AM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Saturday, June 01, 2013 11:28 -0400 Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: ... It turns out that as soon as you envisage a network in which some nodes only support 32 bit addresses and other nodes can't get a globally

Re: [IETF] Not Listening to the Ops Customer

2013-06-01 Thread Warren Kumari
On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/06/2013 15:00, John C Klensin wrote: --On Friday, May 31, 2013 17:23 -0700 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: rant the sad fact is that the ietf culture is often not very good at listening to the

Re: [IETF] Not Listening to the Ops Customer (was Re: Issues in wider geographic participation)

2013-05-31 Thread Warren Kumari
On May 31, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: rant the sad fact is that the ietf culture is often not very good at listening to the (ops) customer. look at the cf we have made out of ipv6. the end user, and the op, want the absolute minimal change and cost, let me get

Re: [IETF] Not Listening to the Ops Customer (was Re: Issues in wider geographic participation)

2013-05-31 Thread Masataka Ohta
Warren Kumari wrote: Unfortunately the was a bad case of creeping featuritis and we got: A new, and unfortunately very complex way of resolving L2 addresses. You may use ARP (and DHCP) with IPv6. Extension headers that make it so you cannot actually forward packets in modern hardware (