Brian E Carpenter wrote:
x.x Compensation for IOAC members
The IOAC members shall not receive any compensation (apart from
exceptional reimbursement of expenses) for their services as
members of the IOAC.
This text works for me. And I agree with Jonne that it makes
sense for the BCP to talk about
--On 3. januar 2005 07:40 -0800 EKR ekr@rtfm.com wrote:
I don't think that anyone is saying that. However, AFAIK there's
in fact no rule prohibiting IESG/IAB members from being directly
paid by IETF--not that that's a likely event.
At at least one point in the IETF's history, there was a nomcom
Harald,
On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 10:28, ext Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
--On 3. januar 2005 07:40 -0800 EKR ekr@rtfm.com wrote:
I don't think that anyone is saying that. However, AFAIK there's
in fact no rule prohibiting IESG/IAB members from being directly
paid by IETF--not that that's a
Brian et al.,
would
x.x Compensation for IOAC members
The IOAC members shall not receive any compensation (apart from
reimbursement of expenses) for their services as members of the
IOAC.
do the trick then? (Modified from the ISOC by-laws.) I really do believe
Jonne asks:
would
x.x Compensation for IOAC members
The IOAC members shall not receive any compensation (apart from
reimbursement of expenses) for their services as members of the
IOAC.
do the trick then?
works for me
Scott reponds to Jonne:
Jonne asks:
would
x.x Compensation for IOAC members
The IOAC members shall not receive any compensation (apart from
reimbursement of expenses) for their services as members of the
IOAC.
do the trick then?
works for me
personal
bert asks:
The current text in section 3, 1st para states
The IAOC consists of volunteers,
does that not say enough?
I'd say no - volunteers can get paid in some cases
Scott
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bert asks:
The current text in section 3, 1st para states
The IAOC consists of volunteers,
does that not say enough?
I'd say no - volunteers can get paid in some cases
Sure... sometimes they also get a bottle of wine with Xmas.
Should we add clear text about that too?
Scott Bradner wrote:
bert asks:
The current text in section 3, 1st para states
The IAOC consists of volunteers,
does that not say enough?
I'd say no - volunteers can get paid in some cases
x.x Compensation for IOAC members
The IOAC members shall not receive any
Bert,
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 16:46, ext Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
Scott reponds to Jonne:
Jonne asks:
would
x.x Compensation for IOAC members
The IOAC members shall not receive any compensation (apart from
reimbursement of expenses) for their services as members
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 17:10, ext Brian E Carpenter wrote:
Scott Bradner wrote:
bert asks:
The current text in section 3, 1st para states
The IAOC consists of volunteers,
does that not say enough?
I'd say no - volunteers can get paid in some cases
x.x Compensation
Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bert,
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 16:46, ext Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
Scott reponds to Jonne:
Jonne asks:
would
x.x Compensation for IOAC members
The IOAC members shall not receive any compensation (apart from
Wijnen, == Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wijnen, The current text in section 3, 1st para states
Wijnen, The IAOC consists of volunteers,
Wijnen, does that not say enough?
I think it does. I haven't seen an argument for why more text is
needed in the
John C Klensin wrote:
--On Thursday, 30 December, 2004 11:21 -0800 EKR ekr@rtfm.com
wrote:
Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I admit that I maybe have too much a view point of someone
working for a relatively large company. I try to approach
this from a position where
Personally, I don't understand why we would have a different
reimbursement policy for IAOC members than for IESG and IAB members.
just being willing to pay travel expenses might make it possible for
someone to be able to do the IAOC job (since I think it can be done
in non-day-job time) -
Sam,
most probably (I would guess) you have a bridge with a US phone number
(both toll and toll-free). However, people from outside US have to pay
for the long distance fee to call those numbers. However, maybe that
particular information was a little bit too specific...
Cheers,
Jonne.
On Fri,
Scott,
On Fri, 2004-12-31 at 15:18, ext Scott Bradner wrote:
Personally, I don't understand why we would have a different
reimbursement policy for IAOC members than for IESG and IAB members.
just being willing to pay travel expenses might make it possible for
someone to be able to do
just being willing to pay travel expenses might make it possible for
someone to be able to do the IAOC job (since I think it can be done
in non-day-job time) - that is not the case for IAB or IESG members
To be honest, I don't quite follow this logic. What would be the major
difference
--On Thursday, 30 December, 2004 11:21 -0800 EKR ekr@rtfm.com
wrote:
Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I admit that I maybe have too much a view point of someone
working for a relatively large company. I try to approach
this from a position where the IAOC itself
However, people from outside US have to pay
for the long distance fee to call those numbers.
the services that teh IESG used when I was an AD called out to non-US
folk (or to folk that were in those %%(*$%$ hotels that charge
per minute for toll free calls longer than some time)
Scott
Hi,
I think one of the things still missing from the document is setting of
the compensation for the IAOC members for their services, travel, etc. I
think that everybody expects the job to be voluntary and that's why it
has not been documented. However, for the sake of avoiding future
discussions
Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think one of the things still missing from the document is setting of
the compensation for the IAOC members for their services, travel, etc. I
think that everybody expects the job to be voluntary and that's why it
has not been
thanks to Jonne for bringing this up - I agree that some text about this
should be in the document but I disagree on what it should say.
imo - the IAOC members should not be compensated for their time but
I think its reasonable for them to be reimbursed for expenses for
travel to meetings not
Ekr,
if we decide to reimburse for the expenses created by the position in
the IAOC we have to create also rules what is reimbursed and on what
terms. E.g., in what are reasonable costs (traveling in economy,
business, first?) etc. Especially difficult is to lay down the price for
the labor
Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
if we decide to reimburse for the expenses created by the position in
the IAOC we have to create also rules what is reimbursed and on what
terms. E.g., in what are reasonable costs (traveling in economy,
business, first?) etc.
Actually...
Section 4.
The Trustees shall not receive any compensation (apart from
reimbursement of expenses) for their services as Trustees, but this
shall not preclude reasonable compensation for services rendered to the
Society by a Trustee in some other capacity.
This is from the ISOC
Scott,
On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 20:14, ext Scott Bradner wrote:
thanks to Jonne for bringing this up - I agree that some text about this
should be in the document but I disagree on what it should say.
imo - the IAOC members should not be compensated for their time but
I think its reasonable
I admit that I maybe have too much a view point of someone working for a
relatively large company.
not everyone does
I try to approach this from a position where
the IAOC itself does not become a significant cost for IASA.
I agree - see my note - I do not think that face to face meetings
Bradner
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members
Scott,
On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 20:14, ext Scott Bradner wrote:
thanks to Jonne for bringing this up - I agree that some
text about this
should be in the document but I disagree on what it should say
Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I admit that I maybe have too much a view point of someone working for a
relatively large company. I try to approach this from a position where
the IAOC itself does not become a significant cost for IASA.
However, as these are
The other Scott's approach looks like it's clearly the most reasonable,
and follows a model we have used before. No reimbursement for
performance of services; no reimbursement for meetings that are
associated with IETF; reimbursement for travel to special (not
IETF-associated) meetings where
Soininen == Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Soininen x.x IAOC members compensation for labor, travel, and
Soininen other costs
Soininen The IAOC membership is considered voluntary. Hence, the
Soininen costs sustained by the members to participate
imo - the IAOC members should not be compensated for their time but
I think its reasonable for them to be reimbursed for expenses for
travel to meetings not held in the same place and time as IETF
meetings (or just before or after an IETF at the same location) - since
I would hope that almost all
please do not read more into what I said than I said - I *only* meant
what I said - nothing more (I have a hard time understanding how anyone
could have misread what I said)
I did not suggest any change to the non-reimbursment of IESG IAB
expanses - nor did I intend to
I expect the job of being
Sorry, Scott, I did not mean to imply that you had said anything more
than you actually said. I was simply asking whether you (or others)
though that non-IETF travel for IESG and IAB members should also be
reimbursed if it is not covered by an employer.
Personally, I don't understand why we
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