Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-29 Thread Alan DeKok
Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only the receiver of an email has any right to decide how their spam filter is going to work. Sure, but the intent of the sender, and/or owner of the SPF record matters, too. Common consent makes the net work. Otherwise, people could send HTTP

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02 MARID[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-08-27 Thread Thomas Gal
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Ellermann Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:10 PM To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02 MARID[EMAIL

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
Behalf Of Andrew Newton If this is the source of the conflict, then BOTH experiments should not use the v=spf1 records. Which would at the same time provide an opportunity to address the one part of SPF/Sender-ID that does give me significant concern, the exclusive appropriation of the TXT

Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread wayne
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [PHB brainstorms about a new protocol...] The main objection to prefixed records is that they do not work with wildcards. This is actually a failure of imagination rather than fact. It is quite possible to develop a

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
All SPF does is provide a mechanism whereby sending parties can describe their outgoing edge mail servers. The recipient has the absolute right to interpret that data in any way they see fit. That is the entire point of a spam filtering scheme. You have long advocated this

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
There are several known conflicts, as outlined in the appeal, and they don't begin with the sender intends. You appear to refer to: http://www.mhonarc.org/archive/cgi-bin/mesg.cgi?a=ietfi=200508250045.27 704.julian%40mehnle.net * Many mailing lists rewrite the MAIL FROM identity when

Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread wayne
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All SPF does is provide a mechanism whereby sending parties can describe their outgoing edge mail servers. The recipient has the absolute right to interpret that data in any way they see fit. That is the entire

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
] On Behalf Of Julian Mehnle Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:21 PM To: ietf@ietf.org; MARID Subject: Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 in conflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: As has recently been pointed out on the namedroppers list, the dual track RR and TXT approach does not work. It leads to ambiguities when the records do not match - which they will inevitably dur to the DNS protocol. Actually what has been