On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 01:16:37PM -0800, David Conrad wrote:
On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
Clearly the root operators are responsible to and accountable to the
Internet community.
Err, no.
First, the root server operators are all independent actors performing
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
Full disclosure: I serve on the ICANN board of directors, and I chair
ICANN's Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC). Both of these are
volunteer, i.e. unpaid, positions, but ICANN does pay my travel expenses for
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
One of the problems of living in the US is that there is really very
little experience of long lived institutions. Let us stipulate for the
sake of argument that all the current staff are competent, what
guarantees do we
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:30 PM, John R. Levine wrote:
This is multiple pieces of nonsense:
I actually don't think we have any serious disagreement here. ICANN's
management of the root zone is cautious for all sorts of
On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
Clearly the root operators are responsible to and accountable to the Internet
community.
Err, no.
First, the root server operators are all independent actors performing a
service for the Internet community for their own reasons. They
David Conrad wrote:
There is no magic here.
Oh good grief.
You are clearly entirely too close to this.
It is /all/ f'ing magic.
Every f'ing thing about the Internet is magic.
d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net
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On 11/10/09 6:27 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote:
David Conrad wrote:
There is no magic here.
Oh good grief.
You are clearly entirely too close to this.
It is /all/ f'ing magic.
Every f'ing thing about the Internet is magic.
Any
In message a123a5d60911060930i691985f0re23a12155dc38...@mail.gmail.com, Phill
ip Hallam-Baker writes:
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:30 PM, John R. Levine wrote:
This is multiple pieces of nonsense:
I actually don't think
On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 05:28:52AM -0500, Steve Crocker wrote:
On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:30 PM, John R. Levine wrote:
I actually don't think we have any serious disagreement here.
ICANN's management of the root zone is cautious for all sorts of
reasons, and as you note the root server
Full disclosure: I serve on the ICANN board of directors, and I chair
ICANN's Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC). Both of
these are volunteer, i.e. unpaid, positions, but ICANN does pay my
travel expenses for meetings.
It's mildly amusing to see how this thread has drifted
Agreed, except for the surprise part. The whole staff is paid
impressively large amounts and has been as long as I've been watching
ICANN. They seem to feel that their peer organizations for
compensation purposes are investment banks rather than other
non-profits.
I don't have access to
Doug Ewell wrote:
Paul Hoffman paul dot hoffman at vpnc dot org wrote:
Take the past two day's of press coverage for ICANN, for example. They
are being lauded for making the domain name system usable in other
scripts as if this was their doing. Nothing in ICANN's press releases
pointed out
, 30 Oct 2009 13:04:00 -0700 (PDT)
To: The IETF ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Circle of Fifths
Maybe we should invite this guy to our plenary, it's been a while
since we heard drums or anything similar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCVGkeLvaQ
And look at ALL those sponsors ;-)
Ole
way.
In fact, if they are able to exist (and make money) is because we do
protocols, right ?
Regards,
Jordi
From: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com
Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:04:00 -0700 (PDT)
To: The IETF ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Circle
Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Maybe we should invite this guy to our plenary, it's been a while
since we heard drums or anything similar:
Well, even given the way he plays, I am pretty sure that a guitar is not classed
as a percussion instrument...
Perhaps if we stopped banging out specs and
At 2:55 AM -0700 10/31/09, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
You're not the first one to suggest that, but they do have a very
different business model including covering travel for certain
people and charging no meeting fees. It might make sense for us to
approach the domain industry directly though...
The
Millions of dollars of PR value? What exactly does that mean, Paul?
More to the point: How is ICANN funded? Unless I'm mistaken, they are
funded by registrar/registry fees and, yes, application for new TLD
fees, all of which comes from a healthy domain industry. That's not to
say that ICANN
At 9:07 AM -0700 10/31/09, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Millions of dollars of PR value? What exactly does that mean, Paul?
Legitimacy by publicity. Having their name (well, mostly their acronym)
repeated in every news venue across the world. That legitimacy is just as
important to ICANN as it is to,
Paul Hoffman paul dot hoffman at vpnc dot org wrote:
Take the past two day's of press coverage for ICANN, for example. They
are being lauded for making the domain name system usable in other
scripts as if this was their doing. Nothing in ICANN's press releases
pointed out that literally tens
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Actually ICANN/IANA should contribute to IETF, possibly no just via
sponsorship but a more stable way.
You mean above and beyond providing the IANA function?
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Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with
a domain name makeover!
More to the point: How is ICANN funded? Unless I'm mistaken, they are
funded by registrar/registry fees and, yes, application for new TLD
fees, all of which comes from a healthy domain industry. ...
Fully agree. It is flowing from many smaller players into a central
repository, ICANN. Thus, it
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Doug Ewell wrote:
Paul Hoffman paul dot hoffman at vpnc dot org wrote:
Take the past two day's of press coverage for ICANN, for example. They are
being lauded for making the domain name system usable in other scripts as
if this was their doing. Nothing in ICANN's press
Maybe we should invite this guy to our plenary, it's been a while
since we heard drums or anything similar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCVGkeLvaQ
And look at ALL those sponsors ;-)
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
Tel: +1
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