RE: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-09 Thread l.wood
Lynch Cc: ietf; Abdussalam Baryun Subject: Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first On 04/08/13 13:35, Lucy Lynch allegedly wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Wes Beebee (wbeebee) wrote: > >> >>> If the date is special then thoes RFCs SHOUL

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-08 Thread Bob Braden
On 4/6/2013 2:59 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:33 AM, Ulrich Herberg wrote: Indeed. The wikipedia entry is somewhat misleading though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day_RFC "Almost every April Fools' Day (1 April) since 1989, the Internet Engineering Task Force has p

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-08 Thread Scott Brim
On 04/08/13 13:35, Lucy Lynch allegedly wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Wes Beebee (wbeebee) wrote: > >> >>> If the date is special then thoes RFCs SHOULD be *historical*. >> >> I thought they should be classified as "hysterical". > > there is an echo (echo) ((echo) ) in here (here) ((here)) IETF h

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-08 Thread Lucy Lynch
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013, Wes Beebee (wbeebee) wrote: If the date is special then thoes RFCs SHOULD be *historical*. I thought they should be classified as "hysterical". there is an echo (echo) ((echo) ) in here (here) ((here)) - Wes

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-08 Thread Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
>If the date is special then thoes RFCs SHOULD be *historical*. I thought they should be classified as "hysterical". - Wes

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 07/04/2013, at 9:59 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: > I mostly share the sentiment that this is just humor, so what's the harm. > > That said, I did at one point have to exercise my diplomatic skills when I > got forwarded a customer (nameless here for evermore) question about whether > support for RF

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Andrew Sullivan > It's always April 1st somewhere on the Net? Especially if you (or your packets, to be precise) can travel backwards in time Noel

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 01:32:08PM -0700, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > That this thread is still being pursued made me double-check that it is in > fact not still April 1st. It's always April 1st somewhere on the Net? A -- Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
That this thread is still being pursued made me double-check that it is in fact not still April 1st. On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 4/6/13 1:33 PM, Ulrich Herberg wrote: > > Indeed. The wikipedia entry is somewhat misleading though: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apr

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated?April the first Date: Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 07:31:54PM + Quoting Yoav Nir (y...@checkpoint.com): > In this case I could tick that box without being a lying bastard. Just a > sort-of deceitful one. It is po

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread Yoav Nir
On Apr 7, 2013, at 6:41 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote: > Subject: RE: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or > dated?April the first Date: Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 11:59:30AM + Quoting > Yoav Nir (y...@checkpoint.com): >> I mostly share the sentiment that this is

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread Bob Braden
On 4/7/2013 8:41 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: I do not want code or devices from people that don't "get" it in my network. The April 1 series are useful documents. Well said! i believe that april 1 RFCs server several useful purposes. They remind us to not take ourselves too seriously. They remi

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: RE: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated?April the first Date: Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 11:59:30AM + Quoting Yoav Nir (y...@checkpoint.com): > I mostly share the sentiment that this is just humor, so what's the harm. > > That said, I did at one

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread John Levine
>That said, I did at one point have to exercise my diplomatic skills when I got >forwarded a customer (nameless >here for evermore) question about whether support for RFC 3514 was on our >roadmap. Think of it as free market intelligence on your customer base. Of course we've only had April 1 RF

RE: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread Yoav Nir
I mostly share the sentiment that this is just humor, so what's the harm. That said, I did at one point have to exercise my diplomatic skills when I got forwarded a customer (nameless here for evermore) question about whether support for RFC 3514 was on our roadmap. While the people on this lis

RE: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-07 Thread l.wood
/ From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Elwyn Davies [elw...@dial.pipex.com] Sent: 06 April 2013 21:26 To: Stewart Bryant (stbryant) Cc: ietf; Abdussalam Baryun Subject: Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > If we read each document in the world we know the answer; who owns the > copyright for these documents? so only owner can update it or to > change category name as per proposed, > All of the (at least recent) RFCs have copyright notices i

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Hector Santos
On 4/6/2013 11:57 AM, Scott Brim wrote: On 04/06/13 11:52, Hector Santos allegedly wrote: Hi Abdusalam, You should consider all APRIL 1 published I-D as "SPAM" and the electronic mail follow ups generated in the IETF list as more wasted bandwidth, time and spam. We have too much time in our h

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Yoav Nir
On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:33 AM, Ulrich Herberg wrote: > Indeed. The wikipedia entry is somewhat misleading though: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day_RFC > > "Almost every April Fools' Day (1 April) since 1989, the Internet > Engineering Task Force has published one or more humorous

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
If we read each document in the world we know the answer; who owns the copyright for these documents? so only owner can update it or to change category name as per proposed, AB On 4/6/13, Ulrich Herberg wrote: > Indeed. The wikipedia entry is somewhat misleading though: > http://en.wikipedia.org

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Melinda Shore
On 4/6/13 1:33 PM, Ulrich Herberg wrote: > Indeed. The wikipedia entry is somewhat misleading though: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day_RFC Fix it or ignore it. Wikipedia is neither authoritative nor reliable. Melinda

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Ulrich Herberg
Indeed. The wikipedia entry is somewhat misleading though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day_RFC "Almost every April Fools' Day (1 April) since 1989, the Internet Engineering Task Force has published one or more humorous Request for Comments (RFC) documents," and then "The IETF acc

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Dave Cridland
The message below suggests you still think that every RFC is published by the IETF. It's not, and this one explicitly nuts that it is not an IETF RFC at the top. On 6 Apr 2013 18:35, "Abdussalam Baryun" wrote: > Hi Hector, > > When I read the RFC on 1 April 2013 (my first time experience) I > no

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Elwyn Davies
Right.. they are mind expanding drugs. Essential for keeping us sane. /Elwyn Sent from my ASUS Pad "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" wrote: > > >Sent from my iPad > >On 6 Apr 2013, at 14:04, "Abdussalam Baryun" >wrote: > >> >> If the date is >> special then thoes RFCs SHOULD be *historical*. >>

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 4/6/13, Warren Kumari wrote: > -very, very, very lots. > > I understand you may have missed the fact that an RFC was an April 1st, and > are grumpy now, but that's no reason to ruin things for the rest of us... > > Try hacking protocol, not policy -- then folk may listen more to your > proposal

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Melinda Shore
On 4/6/13 9:35 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > but just like to comment about any faulty RFC because it is in > the end a Request For Comment (RFC). Clearly the real solution would be to rename the series. Melinda

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Hector, When I read the RFC on 1 April 2013 (my first time experience) I noticed something is wrong (with the system or with doc-content), but the document does not refer to any joke. As if you receive a message from someone you know, but you realise that you don't know why he/she sending it. I

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Tim Chown
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:39, "Stewart Bryant (stbryant)" wrote: > > On 6 Apr 2013, at 14:04, "Abdussalam Baryun" > wrote: > >> >> If the date is >> special then thoes RFCs SHOULD be *historical*. >> > > Surely the correct requirement is : > > If the date is special then those RFCs MUST be *hys

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
The Mark Crispin RFC was not categorised as informational nor experimental, so I was not against that old work that had few readers, the problem is now new work and millions of readers, AB On 4/6/13, Dave Cridland wrote: > These aren't published by the IETF, but by the RFC editor directly. As >

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Heasley
Am Apr 6, 2013 um 8:52 schrieb Hector Santos : > Hi Abdusalam, > > You should consider all APRIL 1 published I-D as "SPAM" and the electronic > mail follow ups generated in the IETF list as more wasted bandwidth, time and > spam. We have too much time in our hands, boredom for many, and even

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread David Morris
On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Scott Brim wrote: > On 04/06/13 11:52, Hector Santos allegedly wrote: > > Hi Abdusalam, > > > > You should consider all APRIL 1 published I-D as "SPAM" and the > > electronic mail follow ups generated in the IETF list as more wasted > > bandwidth, time and spam. We have to

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Scott Brim
On 04/06/13 11:52, Hector Santos allegedly wrote: > Hi Abdusalam, > > You should consider all APRIL 1 published I-D as "SPAM" and the > electronic mail follow ups generated in the IETF list as more wasted > bandwidth, time and spam. We have too much time in our hands, boredom > for many, and eve

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Hector Santos
Hi Abdusalam, You should consider all APRIL 1 published I-D as "SPAM" and the electronic mail follow ups generated in the IETF list as more wasted bandwidth, time and spam. We have too much time in our hands, boredom for many, and even more wasted time if we spend time reading it - so in th

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Stewart Bryant (stbryant)
Sent from my iPad On 6 Apr 2013, at 14:04, "Abdussalam Baryun" wrote: > > If the date is > special then thoes RFCs SHOULD be *historical*. > Surely the correct requirement is : If the date is special then those RFCs MUST be *hysterical*. - Stewart

Re: [IETF] Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Warren Kumari
On Apr 6, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > > > Some participants like to send messages/documents as categoried or > classified, and may include in others uncategorised or unclassified. > That is a reasonable approach in reasonable organisations. > > I see some RFCs as mentioned in

Re: Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Dave Cridland
These aren't published by the IETF, but by the RFC editor directly. As such, the IETF has little control. Even if this were not so, I would be very much against discontinuing or specially marking such documents. I appreciate Mark Crispin was always proud that his randomly lose telnet extension was

Comments for Humorous RFCs or uncategorised RFCs or dated April the first

2013-04-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Some participants like to send messages/documents as categoried or classified, and may include in others uncategorised or unclassified. That is a reasonable approach in reasonable organisations. I see some RFCs as mentioned in [1], that they are humorous that reflect a historic culture or a beha