Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-07-06 Thread Tony Hansen
Huh? Make tao a directory. Put the document in the directory as index.html. Now www.ietf.org/tao will redirect to www.ietf.org/tao/ will redirect to www.ietf.org/tao/index.html. Tony Hansen On 7/4/2012 1:54 PM, Russ Housley wrote: Julian: No, I was just trying to understand *why* the

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-07-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-06-21 23:08, Russ Housley wrote: This URL http://www.ietf.org/tao will bring up the current document. It works exactly the same as http://www.ietf.org/tao.html. This means that http://www.ietf.org/tao/archive cannot be used as suggested on this thread. ... Sorry?

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-07-04 Thread Russ Housley
Julian: Do you object to http://www.ietf.org/tao-archive for the old version of the Tao? Russ On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-06-21 23:08, Russ Housley wrote: This URL http://www.ietf.org/tao will bring up the current document. It works exactly the same as

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-07-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-07-04 16:52, Russ Housley wrote: Julian: Do you object to http://www.ietf.org/tao-archive for the old version of the Tao? Russ No, I was just trying to understand *why* the archive can't be at http://www.ietf.org/tao/archive. Best regards, Julian

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-07-04 Thread Russ Housley
Julian: No, I was just trying to understand *why* the archive can't be at http://www.ietf.org/tao/archive. I was told that we cannot have http://www.ietf.org/tao directed to the document and also be the directory containing the archive directory. Russ

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-24 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Propose to include in the I-D draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt an IETF-WG that is created in the IETF General Area to discuss Tao document/webpage issues, AB ===

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-21 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi SM, I thank you for your comments and input, The I-D being discussed (draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02), does mention the discussion on a list, but it does not mention the community or consensus. The point of this I-D is to make the process easier and valuable for users and memebrs, so I

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-21 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi All Discussing the draft draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02 Can you say what was not so clear? I absolutely want that bit to be clear. Proposed text is appreciated here. -Why the document/draft does not mention/reference other descriptive related works? -Why the document/draft obsoletes

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-21 Thread Melinda Shore
On 6/21/12 1:16 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: I think that discussions should be limited times (in hours or few days) which I prefer to take place in the IETF meetings and getting a community consesus on the updates of the webpage. Hi: if you're concerned about and familiar with community

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-21 Thread Russ Housley
This URL http://www.ietf.org/tao will bring up the current document. It works exactly the same as http://www.ietf.org/tao.html. This means that http://www.ietf.org/tao/archive cannot be used as suggested on this thread. I propose the following URLs for the Tao: - current Tao:

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-21 Thread SM
Hi Abdussalam, At 03:34 21-06-2012, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: -Why is the document/draft not clear of its aim, objectives, Paul Hoffman actually asked what was not clear to me. It does not mean that the draft is not clear. I agree and want the *consesus* and *community* input to be clear

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-20 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I got a request to clarify (language and reference) my message: Conflict process if we consider the I-D process as a IETF process. It is not consistent with the IETF procedures. It can be consistent if the IESG amend the I-D submission-process or take my suggestions. I refere to the IETF

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-20 Thread SM
Hi Abdussalam, At 03:51 20-06-2012, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: I refere to the IETF process of: preparing the I-D by WG, Community-accepting, Submitting, and IESG-approval. The new Tao-update-process of the draft is not including the community. The IETF process in draft is as : individual

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jun 20, 2012, at 8:39 AM, SM wrote: RFC 4844 discusses about RFC Series and the streams used by the various communities to publish a RFC. One of those streams is for IETF Documents. In the I-D being discussed, the document will be published on a web page. The IESG will choose Paul

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-20 Thread SM
Hi Paul, At 09:25 20-06-2012, Paul Hoffman wrote: Errr, maybe. The IESG could easily choose someone else; many individuals in this community would be fine at being the Tao editor. Remember, I was the third editor of the document. Yes. :-) Can you say what was not so clear? I absolutely want

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-19 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Melinda, and All, This is consistent with how individual, non-WG documents are progressed in the IETF. I don't see a conflict or discontinuity. Conflict process if we consider the I-D process as a IETF process. It is not consistent with the IETF procedures. It can be consistent if the IESG

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-18 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Barry, I think from your message, you agree that discussion is important in the decision of updates, which I share. I agree to not repeat any unnecessary info, but if contradictions appear to procedure, it then needs a reference or repeat. The problem is that the I-D does not mention in the

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-18 Thread Melinda Shore
On 6/18/12 3:11 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: It is clear from the draft if you read it, that the decision *is not* for the internet-community in two issues: a) editor decision of accepting a propose change, b) editor decision of change-updates to submit to IESG. The discussion in the I-D is

Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-17 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
The abstract mentions 'many people', because many people may mean 4 to 10 people. The annonced I-D lacks the method of discussion in the community (discussing such change), the draft mentions the input from any community individual to be accepted by editor and then approved by IESG, but does not

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-06-17 Thread Barry Leiba
The abstract mentions 'many people', because many people may mean 4 to 10 people. The annonced I-D lacks the method of discussion in the community (discussing such change), the draft mentions the input from any community individual to be accepted by editor and then approved by IESG, but does