EKR wrote:
Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and
Scott Bradner supported the idea:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
in-house should be
I can't promise I'm interpreting the discussion correctly, but my
understanding is that our bias is not in favor of outsourcing, but
against empire-building and bloat. As long as we say zero-based, so
that we're giving the right clues about not spending lots of money in
ways that create the
--On Wednesday, 12 January, 2005 08:22 -0800 EKR ekr@rtfm.com
wrote:
Sorry to be difficult, but no.
I'd like people to explain why they think that the BCP should
impose a bias towards outsourcing as opposed towards doing
things in the most efficient way possible.
Personally, I've never
Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
EKR wrote:
Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and
Scott Bradner supported the idea:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to
Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
EKR wrote:
Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and
Scott Bradner supported the idea:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced.
--On Thursday, 13 January, 2005 17:42 +0100 Wijnen, Bert
(Bert) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We definitely do want to discourage egregious bloat of direct
staff posts, but we also want to discourage egregious bloat
at the contractors we outsource to. I'm not sure why people
think there is more
--On torsdag, januar 13, 2005 10:37:22 -0500 John C Klensin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*footnote: I think the document may be confusing (I hope not
confused, and I trust it isn't deliberate) as to whether all of
these pointers to outsourcing imply
-- hire an organization, with its own
John makes a very good point. I prefer to think of these types of
documents as a Request for Information (RFI), which is a common
contracting mechanism. It allows vendors to make general presentations
about their capabilities, and that allows the host institution to
put together a short list of
--On torsdag, januar 13, 2005 10:37:22 -0500 John C Klensin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*footnote: I think the document may be confusing (I hope not
confused, and I trust it isn't deliberate) as to whether all of
these pointers to outsourcing imply
-- hire an organization, with its
).
Anyway... enough about this as far as I am concerned
Bert
-Original Message-
From: Carl Malamud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 20:16
To: John C Klensin
Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); EKR; Brian E Carpenter; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Consensus? #733 Outsourcing
--On Thursday, 13 January, 2005 21:21 +0100 Wijnen, Bert
(Bert) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whether you call it RFP or RFI (sorry I don't do these things,
so I may be mis-using terminology), the result is (I think)
that if bidder A says they can do it with 2, Bidder B with 5
and Bidder C with
Section 3 of draft-ietf-iasa-bcp-03 says, in part:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be outsourced.
The IAD is responsible for negotiating and maintaining such
contracts, as well as providing any coordination necessary to make
sure the IETF administrative support functions
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and
Scott Bradner supported the idea:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
in-house should be explicitly justified by the IAOC
and
Title: Converted from Rich Text
This seems reasonable to me.
John L.
John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and Scott Bradner supported the idea: In principle, IETF administrative functions should be outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
On 1/12/2005 04:51, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
in-house should be explicitly justified by the IAOC
and restricted to the minimum staff required, with these
decisions and staffing
--On onsdag, januar 12, 2005 07:29:27 -0500 Scott W Brim sbrim@cisco.com
wrote:
On 1/12/2005 04:51, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
in-house should be explicitly justified by the
On 1/12/2005 07:44, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote:
--On onsdag, januar 12, 2005 07:29:27 -0500 Scott W Brim
sbrim@cisco.com wrote:
On 1/12/2005 04:51, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform
harald asks
We have to adjust the second sentence (referring to such contracts would
become ambiguous), so the total paragraph becomes:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
in-house should be explicitly justified by
I thought that was implied by required.. if we don't like
required, I think we should drop the subsentence, leaving us with:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
in-house should be explicitly justified by the IAOC,
with
Me too
Brian
John Loughney wrote:
This seems reasonable to me.
John L.
John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and
Scott Bradner supported the idea:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
in-house
?
John L
--- Original message ---
Subject: Re: Consensus? #733 Outsourcing principle
From: "Scott W Brim" sbrim@cisco.com
Time: 01/12/2005 7:29 am
On 1/12/2005 04:51, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote:
In principle, IETF administrat
I like this resolution. I think the review against a zero base
assumption captures the essential goal, and the minimum staff was a weak
restatement.
Yours,
Joel
At 07:44 AM 1/12/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
--On onsdag, januar 12, 2005 07:29:27 -0500 Scott W Brim sbrim@cisco.com
Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and
Scott Bradner supported the idea:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
in-house should be explicitly
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