Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-28 Thread Bill Manning
will there be the capability to support dyn update for 6bone delegations? -- --bill

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-28 Thread John Stracke
I don't ever recall anybody bothering to ask application developers whether it was okay for DHCP servers (much less NATs) to break open connections. This is a bit of a red herring--as actually implemented, most DHCP servers provide leases long enough that your IP number doesn't change unless

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-28 Thread Keith Moore
I don't ever recall anybody bothering to ask application developers whether it was okay for DHCP servers (much less NATs) to break open connections This is a bit of a red herring--as actually implemented, most DHCP servers provide leases long enough that your IP number doesn't change

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-28 Thread John Stracke
Many ISPs routinely use DHCP as an means to degrade their customers' address stability, forcing them change addresses as often as once a day, in order to prevent their customers from running certain kinds of applications. Yeah, and others do the same thing by, say, having their firewalls block

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-28 Thread Pete Resnick
On 2/27/02 at 2:00 PM -0500, Keith Moore wrote: I guess my question is how valuable this is. As far as I can tell, stable DNS names are of limited utility unless the underlying IP address(es) are also stable. I can think of several uses: 1. I'm in a place with lousy or expensive

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-28 Thread Randy Bush
i use it so that hosts at home can run scripts such as scp foo laptop: randy

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-28 Thread Keith Moore
Many ISPs routinely use DHCP as an means to degrade their customers' address stability, forcing them change addresses as often as once a day, in order to prevent their customers from running certain kinds of applications Yeah, and others do the same thing by, say, having their firewalls

Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Jakob Schlyter
At the 53rd IETF in Minneapolis, the network will be running with dynamic updated reverse DNS. If configured on your laptop and at your home name server, this will enable you to get a dynamically allocated address which has your own domain name both in the forward zone and in the reverse zone.

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Keith Moore
If configured on your laptop and at your home name server, this will enable you to get a dynamically allocated address which has your own domain name both in the forward zone and in the reverse zone. Fantastic. My laptop's DNS name is lust.indecency.org. Please arrange for the records for

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:42:09 EST, Keith Moore said: If configured on your laptop and at your home name server, this will enable you to get a dynamically allocated address which has your own domain name both in the forward zone and in the reverse zone. Fantastic. My laptop's DNS name is

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Randy Bush
If configured on your laptop and at your home name server, this will enable you to get a dynamically allocated address which has your own domain name both in the forward zone and in the reverse zone. Fantastic. My laptop's DNS name is lust.indecency.org. Please arrange for the records for

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Randy Bush
What? No DNSSEC? ;) if you *read* the web page, you will find a setion labeled Updating Signed Zones in the 5. Limitations and Possible Complications section. this stuff is not yet made simple. it's been enough fun to make it work reliably. folk will probably actually have to read the doc.

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:33:08 PST, Randy Bush said: if you *read* the web page, you will find a setion labeled Updating Signed Zones in the 5. Limitations and Possible Complications section. Yeah - I just wanted to make sure people understood it's *not* as simple as Keith's note made it

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Keith Moore
If configured on your laptop and at your home name server, this will enable you to get a dynamically allocated address which has your own domain name both in the forward zone and in the reverse zone. Fantastic. My laptop's DNS name is lust.indecency.org. Please arrange for the records

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Randy Bush
what jakob's message was saying is that the in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa zones will be correctly configured to work with the ietf net's correctly configured dhcp server. I appreciate the effort that has been made to set this up, and I'll look forward to seeing whether it really does make a

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Keith Moore
we are hoping that this exercise will do the same for dynamic dns update with dhcp. I guess my question is how valuable this is. As far as I can tell, stable DNS names are of limited utility unless the underlying IP address(es) are also stable. But the best way to find out is to try it,

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Randy Bush wrote: note, folk not running unix or linux will not be able to play. we still need a hack to make the windows dhcp client wiggle. What about people who have zero intention to run either IPv4 or DHCP? (no I didn't read the document except to check it didn't

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Randy Bush
What about people who have zero intention to run either IPv4 or DHCP? sorry, if you READ THE DOCUMENT, you will see that this is a dhcp-dns experiment. if you don't run dhcp, or don't run dns, sorry. randy

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Jakob Schlyter
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Pekka Savola wrote: What about people who have zero intention to run either IPv4 or DHCP? the part of the document that describes how to update the forward zone may be applied to IPv6 as well as IPv4 (although the actual scripting needed is left as an exercise for the

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Keith == Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we are hoping that this exercise will do the same for dynamic dns update with dhcp. Keith I guess my question is how valuable this is. As far as I can tell, Keith stable DNS names are of

Re: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Keith Moore
Again, we've had this discussion again and again - definitions of stable vary from anything less than a month is useless, to 20 minutes is enough. What's this we stuff? I don't ever recall anybody bothering to ask application developers whether it was okay for DHCP servers (much less

RE: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF

2002-02-27 Thread Peter Ford
: Dynamic DNS at the 53rd IETF -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Keith == Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we are hoping that this exercise will do the same for dynamic dns update with dhcp. Keith I guess my question is how valuable this is. As far as I can tell, Keith