Re: Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-10-05 Thread Fred Baker
On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:58 AM, Gellens, Randall wrote: I don't understand this aspect. If an RFC is deployed, even widely deployed, but no new extensions are being done, and no developers are clamoring for changes, you want to move it to Historic? Yes. He misses the point of what we do. We do

Re: Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-10-04 Thread Dean Willis
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM, todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net wrote: To that end I would like to propose the idea that any IETF RFC which is submitted to the Standards Track which has sat unchanged in a NON-STANDARD status for more than 3 years is struck down and removed formally from

Re: Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-10-04 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:03 -0500 Dean Willis dean.wil...@softarmor.com wrote: ... Automatic expiry, as you propose, is easy. But given the fact that long-lived PS have essentially become standards, I'd like to make a counter-proposal -- semi-automatic advancement. We set a

Re: Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-10-04 Thread Gellens, Randall
On 10/4/11 9:03 AM, Dean Willis dean.wil...@softarmor.com wrote: When I say developing from the document, I don't mean using the protocol specified by the document in a static deployment, but referencing the document in new deployments, or actively trying to revise the protocol therein. I

Re: Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-10-04 Thread Douglas Otis
On 9/4/11 7:23 AM, todd glassey wrote: There are any number of IETF RFC's which were published and then accepted in the community under the proviso 'that they would become IETF standards' which in many instances they do not. Further many of them are abandoned in an uncompleted mode as

Re: Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-09-06 Thread Harald Alvestrand
On 09/04/11 20:39, Eric Burger wrote: Why? No one has cared about the annual review from 2026. No one has time to do the bookkeeping and spend the effort to evaluate stuck documents. If there is an RFC that is harmful, then one can always ask to have it moved to Historic. On Sep 4, 2011,

Re: Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-09-05 Thread David Morris
I would note that progression to Internet Standard seems to have more to do with availability of interested folks to do the work and little to with acceptance of the protocol. HTTP has been hanging at DS for many years and that hasn't stopped its wide acceptance. Yes, there is now a WG working

Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-09-04 Thread todd glassey
There are any number of IETF RFC's which were published and then accepted in the community under the proviso 'that they would become IETF standards' which in many instances they do not. Further many of them are abandoned in an uncompleted mode as standards efforts. To that end I would like to

Re: Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-09-04 Thread Eric Burger
Why? No one has cared about the annual review from 2026. No one has time to do the bookkeeping and spend the effort to evaluate stuck documents. If there is an RFC that is harmful, then one can always ask to have it moved to Historic. On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:23 AM, todd glassey wrote: There

Re: Expiring a publication - especially standards track documents which are abandoned

2011-09-04 Thread Hector
I think we all know the market generally speaks for himself on whats used or not used, official stamping of IETF approval or not, vendor interest or not. But I also believe it is another reason why there are other issues, such like the RFC2119bis debates. Today, we have more integrated