Re: Request to the IAB for clarifiction of its Jan 31 IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-02-10 Thread Leslie Daigle
Harald, Indeed, the IAB response concludes that the IESG has not given sufficient justification for its decision in Mr. Morfin's appeal, and that decision has been annulled. The IAB's role here is one of review (in the appeal), not directing the actions of IETF process. If you require

RE: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-02-02 Thread Bernard Aboba
' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], iesg@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:40:29 -0500 Bernard, The way I interpret your statement is that you feel that replacement

RE: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-02-02 Thread Ed Juskevicius
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernard Aboba Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; iesg@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin Speaking for myself -- As noted in the appeal, quite a few

IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 Thread Leslie Daigle
On 4 January 2006, the IAB received an appeal from Jefsey Morfin appealing the IESG decision to uphold the suspension of his posting rights to the ietf-languages list. According to the procedures in Section 6.5.2 of RFC 2026, the IAB has reviewed the situation and issues the following response.

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 Thread Sam Hartman
So, a clarification request: Am I correctly understanding that the clear and public requirement does not always imply a process RFC? In particular, John Klensin has made an argument that there are a wide variety of matters that are better handled by operational procedures made available for

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 Thread Sam Hartman
Leslie == Leslie Daigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Leslie The devil is, of course, in the details. Even community Leslie commented on published operational procedures should not Leslie be at odds with our general or specific process documents, Leslie or else that seems to suggest

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 Thread Leslie Daigle
Sam, One IAB member's perspective: no, the expectation is not BCP upon BCP upon BCP. The devil is, of course, in the details. Even community commented on published operational procedures should not be at odds with our general or specific process documents, or else that seems to suggest the

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 Thread Bernard Aboba
the applicability and overlap of the existing documents is already somewhat unclear. From: Leslie Daigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: IAB [EMAIL PROTECTED], Iesg (E-mail) iesg@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006

RE: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 Thread Gray, Eric
: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin -- -- My personal perspective is that on a subject as sensitive -- as banning, it is -- very important to have clear, well documented procedures -- dictating the -- process and who is allowed to initiate the ban. Creation -- of more documents -- may

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
IAB, Thank you for the processing of this request. However, this mailing list maintainer is now completely uncertain about what his marching orders are with regards to continuing to administer the ietf-languages list. The IAB seems to have decided that it's the IESG that has to decide this;

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Harald Tveit Alvestrand writes: Thank you for the processing of this request. However, this mailing list maintainer is now completely uncertain about what his marching orders are with regards to continuing to administer the ietf-languages list. The IAB seems to have decided that it's the

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

2006-01-31 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
I thank the IAB for the processing of my request. I acknowledge its decision. The IAB has decided not to discuss the motives of the contention, but the use of RFC 3934 to legitimate a ban decision (also used in the three other cases). Harald Alvestrand indicated the reasons of this use: if