Wo! There's a whole section of the conversation that ended up in Untidy that
shouldn't've.
On 9 Sep 2012, at 20:25, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote:
I have to say that I'm baffled at the perverse pride that people seem
to take in being so technically backward that they're unable to handle
On 25 Oct 2012, at 01:25, Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca wrote:
Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
SG * text/paragraphs (or whatever), a completely different identity that
violates the length limits
SG Apple Mail and Microsoft use this text/paragraphs.
Do you
Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote:
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RG But not using Format=Flowed.
RG This reflects a misunderstanding of Format=Flowed. Properly
RG generated F=F has lines of no more than 78 characters. One of
RG the primary
Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
SG Let's clear up the confusion. I made two mistakes, firstly by
SG calling this F/F semantics when what I mean is some sort of
SG long-line-aware reflowing and quoting. We'll have to find a name
SG for it. The other mistake was to call plain text
At 11:42 AM +0100 10/19/12, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
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But not using Format=Flowed.
On 16 Oct 2012, at 03:46, Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote:
At 9:12 AM -0400 9/5/12, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote:
Maybe I'm also
Warning: this message was generated by Apple Mail. I just can't stop my
insatiable appetite for shiny things. :-( [1]
On 16 Oct 2012, at 03:46, Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote:
At 9:12 AM -0400 9/5/12, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote:
Maybe I'm also concerned because many
On 19 Oct 2012, at 17:45, Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote:
At 11:42 AM +0100 10/19/12, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
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But not using Format=Flowed.
Precisely.
On 16 Oct 2012, at 03:46, Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote:
At 9:12 AM -0400 9/5/12, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote:
Maybe I'm also concerned because many in the former elite have
moved to Apple Mail, and it seems that it is bug
compatible with Outlook in it's assumption that format=flowed is
the default, an act which destroys email quoting, and
On 09/10/2012 06:04 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:46, Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
chris.dearl...@baesystems.com wrote:
If someone wants to provide guidance on how to do a least bad job
with Outlook, that will be gratefully received.
I'm not an expert for this, but, as far
Carsten sed:
I'm not an expert for this, but, as far as I am aware of, it has not been
possible to productively participate in e-mail conversations using Outlook.
You're right, Carsten. Nothing I have done in the last 10 years has been in any
way productive.
Adrian
Michael Richardson {quigon} m...@sandelman.ca wrote:
Let me suggest that at the IETF, where the mailing list is king, you
can't join the Elite if you can't quote email properly. Maybe we should
*state* this.
:-)
Maybe I'm also concerned because many in the former elite have moved
to Apple
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On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:46, Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
chris.dearl...@baesystems.com wrote:
If someone wants to provide guidance on how to do a least bad job
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I'm not an expert for this, but, as far as I am aware of, it has not been
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On 09/10/2012 03:46 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote:
If someone wants to provide guidance on how to do a least bad job with
Outlook, that will be gratefully received. But advice that says don't use
Outlook will be filed with the advice that
On 9/10/2012 1:47 AM, Tony Finch wrote:
Michael Richardson {quigon} m...@sandelman.ca wrote:
Let me suggest that at the IETF, where the mailing list is king, you
can't join the Elite if you can't quote email properly. Maybe we should
*state* this.
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message/rfc822 attachments don't work.
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote:
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
i say scott should teach emacs :)
Epsilon, dude! Who the heck wants to write their editor extensions in freaking
LISP? :-)
http://xkcd.com/297/
Thanks,
Donald
Le 2012-09-10 06:46, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) a écrit :
If someone wants to provide guidance on how to do a least bad job
with Outlook, that will be gratefully received.
Found this using the Google:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/
No idea if it's any good as I don't
I have to say that I'm baffled at the perverse pride that people seem
to take in being so technically backward that they're unable to handle
the mail that 99% of the world uses today. While not being a fan of
overdecorated HTML and endless font changes, and strongly preferring a
mail program that
On 9/9/12 11:25 AM, John Levine wrote:
I have to say that I'm baffled at the perverse pride that people seem
to take in being so technically backward that they're unable to handle
the mail that 99% of the world uses today.
99% (I made up a number!) of the world is sending fairly
There's some stuff that's being sent that is extremely
difficult to pull apart.
Really? Like what? (This is an honest question -- it's been
ages since I recall seeing a message that my fairly dorky
mail software couldn't handle.)
R's,
John
There's some stuff that's being sent that is extremely
difficult to pull apart.
Really? Like what?
try reading the nov3 list in a text mua. and do not tell folk what mua
they should use.
randy
try reading the nov3 list in a text mua. and do not tell folk what mua
they should use.
Gee, this whole argument is about telling people what MUA to use.
Apparently nothing written since about 1996 need apply.
Regards,
John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
I
When I started attending IETF meetings in 1996, it was after about 6 years of
reading mailing lists, at a time when netetiquette
or Internet 101 was actively taught. We (because I taught others after
learning it) taught people enough about how email worked so that
they would understand basic
On 9/5/12 5:12 AM, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote:
It's also possible that some grey beards who
have only remote attended for years (Yes, I thinking about you
Melinda, Keith...) might have missed some subtle change in process.
This is a great note, Michael, and now that I'm attending again
Le 2012-09-05 09:12, Michael Richardson {quigon} a écrit :
Let me suggest that at the IETF, where the mailing list is king, you can't join
the Elite if you can't quote email properly.
Maybe we should *state* this.
Maybe I'm also concerned because many in the former elite have moved to Apple
On 09/05/12 09:12, Michael Richardson {quigon} allegedly wrote:
What I am writing about is that I think that we a problem with
transfer students... those who did their september elsewhere, and
have now switched schools for the winter semester. It doesn't occur
to them that they don't know how
Le 2012-09-07 14:36, Scott Brim a écrit :
Maybe I'm also concerned because many in the former elite have
moved to Apple Mail, and it seems that it is bug compatible with
Outlook in it's assumption that format=flowed is the default, an act
which destroys email quoting, and therefore discussion.
On 9/7/12 10:53 AM, Simon Perreault wrote:
Thunderbird is correct by default AFAIK.
Unfortunately not on Mac OS. It's become automatic for me to
hit command-R when replying, but that doesn't solve the basic
problem.
Melinda
Le 2012-09-07 15:15, Melinda Shore a écrit :
On 9/7/12 10:53 AM, Simon Perreault wrote:
Thunderbird is correct by default AFAIK.
Unfortunately not on Mac OS. It's become automatic for me to
hit command-R when replying, but that doesn't solve the basic
problem.
That's what we've been
On 9/7/12 11:30 AM, Simon Perreault wrote:
That's what we've been saying. Apple sends broken mail. Thunderbird has
a function to fix broken mail (command-R). Thunderbird is correct. Apple
is broken.
Sure, but the default wrapping is wrong for many of us and wrong
for IETF email. Thunderbird
Hi Michael,
At 06:12 05-09-2012, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote:
like other SDOs, they think. Worse of all, I think, many of these
people have doing what they thought was email for around a decade,
(yes, using Outlook), they have no idea how email works, nor do they
even know there is
really good message michael. shame about the line wrap :)
Thunderbird is correct by default AFAIK.
Unfortunately not on Mac OS. It's become automatic for me to hit
command-R when replying, but that doesn't solve the basic problem.
in the new ietf, everyone will use emacs. the old dogs'
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
i say scott should teach emacs :)
Epsilon, dude! Who the heck wants to write their editor extensions in freaking
LISP? :-)
Noel
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