Re: IPR Re: IETF 54 calendar (fwd)

2002-05-29 Thread Keith Moore
If what you are asking for is that for every proposal / i-d that shows up in the IETF, the IPR holder is automatically required to provide an RF license, you really don't understand the reason people bother with patents to begin with. doesn't follow. it's entirely possible to understand why

Re: IPR Re: IETF 54 calendar (fwd)

2002-05-29 Thread Marshall Rose
As I recall, RAND was explicitly selected over RF because there are and will be technologies that are interesting to incorporate in a system-wide standard approach, and forcing RF terms would automatically exclude those. There is enough of a bias in the participants toward RF when available,

RE: IPR Re: IETF 54 calendar (fwd)

2002-05-29 Thread Tony Hain
Marshall Rose wrote: As I recall, RAND was explicitly selected over RF because there are and will be technologies that are interesting to incorporate in a system-wide standard approach, and forcing RF terms would automatically exclude those. There is enough of a bias in the

Re: IPR Re: IETF 54 calendar (fwd)

2002-05-29 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Moore writes: If what you are asking for is that for every proposal / i-d that shows up in the IETF, the IPR holder is automatically required to provide an RF license, you really don't understand the reason people bother with patents to begin with. doesn't

Re: IPR Re: IETF 54 calendar (fwd)

2002-05-29 Thread Keith Moore
doesn't follow. it's entirely possible to understand why people bother with patents and still believe that IETF shouldn't support their use to prevent free implementation of a standard. There's an interesting dilemma here. I know of one case where some IETFers tried *hard* -- and

Re: IPR Re: IETF 54 calendar (fwd)

2002-05-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 29 May 2002 15:40:55 PDT, Tony Hain said: Clearly from the responses I didn't make my point in that last paragraph. The original note mentioned VRRP specifically, and in that case the IPR holder didn't bring the proposal to the IETF. The way I read that note, the Free Software