On 22 Oct 2012, at 21:48, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote:
On 10/22/2012 03:52 PM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote:
If we want to keep this in the spirit of long-established (newspaper)
traditions rather than a web page, we could use the IETF Journal for
recording the passing
Henning,
I like what you are suggesting, but let me add two things:
* The ITU does something interesting for notable individuals, which is
that they offer a space on a web page to collect condolences. Such
a virtual book could be then presented to the family, to mark the
important
I wish I had known Abha. I recently searched for information about her, as I
was curious about her short AD career on some statistic that I looked up. She
seemed like a very nice person based on the stories that I found.
But back to topic. I'm with Benson on this issue. And I also think that
Randy,
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
i started the thread on nanog. i am not sure abha or jon would want to
be on such a list. remember them and honor and carry on their work,
don't memorialize them.
I fully agree with you. However, unfortunately, a few
Folks,
Some follow-up to various postings.
We have long-established a pattern of taking a moment at IETF Plenaries
to note a community loss. My feeling is that something of this sort,
which is worth doing in a plenary, is worth recording for longer term.
Our world is increasingly ephemeral;
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
i am not sure abha or jon would want to be on such a list. remember
them and honor and carry on their work, don't memorialize them.
I hear you, but I am also mindful of human nature - and people often
(usually?) tend to be startlingly non-conversant
On Oct 21, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
i started the thread on nanog. i am not sure abha or jon would want to
be on such a list. remember them and honor and carry on their work,
don't memorialize them.
With all respect, it is not just about the person, it is about their work, its
If this memorial wiki page could be open to anyone who ever contributed
to any I* and for whom there was at least one person who wanted to
contribute the information, then fine. If not, then it would be yet
another situation where there will be a line between the in-crowd and
the out-crowd.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 07:35:28AM -0400, Dave Crocker wrote:
some/many/most, but not for all. As an example, how will we feel
about having the list contain the names of sockpuppets that have
been active in the IETF?
This question nicely identifies why the proposal makes me so
uncomfortable,
On Oct 22, 2012, at 6:26 AM, Pelletier Ray rpellet...@isoc.org wrote:
On Oct 21, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
i started the thread on nanog. i am not sure abha or jon would want to
be on such a list. remember them and honor and carry on their work,
don't memorialize them.
With
Having Dave Crocker or Paul Hoffman or Randy Bush being the IETF
Memorial Editor is simply not a good idea.
i do not want to be an editor. and, when it is my turn, i do not want
to be memorialized.
we struggle to do a half-assed job at editing technology. we are
amazingly unqualified to edit
It is quite common for technical societies (and, I assume, other professional
associations) to note the passing of their members and contributors to their
field. For many, the IETF is the closest thing they have to such a society and
it is a key part of their professional and sometimes personal
i started the thread on nanog. i am not sure abha or jon would want to
be on such a list. remember them and honor and carry on their work,
don't memorialize them.
With all respect, it is not just about the person, it is about their work,
its importance, the history of this Internet and
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On 10/22/12 9:02 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
In private I have received messages that can be summarized as: If
you make such a page, please do not put me on it. These messages
came from sources that clearly belong on such a page if it
exists.
Good plan!
Sent from my iPad
On 21 okt. 2012, at 18:32, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
Folks,
A thread on the nanog list, about abha ahuja, reminds me of a suggestion I
made casually to a few folk after the last IETF meeting:
We should consider having a persistent IETF page
+1
Better not to start a tradition which will become an intolerable
encumbrance even before we do!
On 21 October 2012 18:10, Benson Schliesser bens...@queuefull.net wrote:
I feel a little bad saying this, because these individuals deserve
recognition. But I rather think this memorial page is
some/many/most, but not for all. As an example, how will we feel
about having the list contain the names of sockpuppets that have
been active in the IETF?
This question nicely identifies why the proposal makes me so
uncomfortable, and why I don't think I can support it, however much I
think
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:25:47AM -0400, Dave Crocker wrote:
The proposal I posted offered specific roles and types of activity
that would qualify. It also asked some targeted questions.
As I guess I suggested, I believe the idea that the objectivity is
going to last is just wishful thinking.
Henning Schulzrinne wrote:
If we want to keep this in the spirit of long-established
(newspaper) traditions rather than a web page, we could use the
IETF Journal for recording the passing of members of the community.
This seems reasonable and fitting for all qualifications.
--
HLS
From: Scott Brim s...@internet2.edu
If this memorial wiki page could be open to anyone who ever contributed
to any I* and for whom there was at least one person who wanted to
contribute the information, then fine.
Then it turns into (effectively) a phone book - and I don't
Noel, in all of this you're assuming that being remembered on an IETF
wiki should be an exclusive award.
On 10/22/12 13:14, Noel Chiappa allegedly wrote:
From: Scott Brim s...@internet2.edu
If this memorial wiki page could be open to anyone who ever contributed
to any I* and
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 01:14:07PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
If this memorial wiki page could be open to anyone who ever contributed
to any I* and for whom there was at least one person who wanted to
contribute the information, then fine.
Then it turns into (effectively) a
Not that I object to the creation of such a construct - far from it
..
So it's not a replacement for a Hall of Fame, which people might read,
or scan through, in its entirety.
From: Scott Brim s...@internet2.edu
you're assuming that being remembered on an IETF wiki
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 03:03:58PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
But I still feel a mild level of need for a IETF HoF to recognize, and keep
prominent (for new members) the memory of past IETFers whose contributions
are worthy of recognition, but who probably don't rise to the level needed
for
After watching the traffic on this, I'm thinking a memorial page is perhaps not
the first place to focus attention. Instead, write a memorial RFC for each
person you think made a significant contribution to the IETF. The RFC
Editorial process will provide some vetting on quality. Use
On 10/22/12 16:25, Steve Crocker allegedly wrote:
After watching the traffic on this, I'm thinking a memorial page is perhaps
not the first place to focus attention. Instead, write a memorial RFC for
each person you think made a significant contribution to the IETF. The RFC
Editorial
On 10/22/2012 03:52 PM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote:
If we want to keep this in the spirit of long-established (newspaper)
traditions rather than a web page, we could use the IETF Journal for
recording the passing of members of the community.
This sounds like the best suggestion to me so far
On Oct 22, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Steve Crocker wrote:
After watching the traffic on this, I'm thinking a memorial page is perhaps
not the first place to focus attention. Instead, write a memorial RFC for
each person you think made a significant contribution to the IETF. The RFC
Editorial
On 22 October 2012 21:25, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
After watching the traffic on this, I'm thinking a memorial page is perhaps
not the first place to focus attention. Instead, write a memorial RFC for
each person you think made a significant contribution to the IETF. The RFC
Dick and Steve,
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Dick Franks rwfra...@acm.org wrote:
On 22 October 2012 21:25, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
After watching the traffic on this, I'm thinking a memorial page is
perhaps not the first place to focus attention. Instead, write a
[ietf-boun...@ietf.org] on behalf of Steve Crocker
[st...@shinkuro.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:25 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: In Memoriam IETF web page -- a modest proposal
After watching the traffic on this, I'm thinking a memorial page is perhaps not
the first place to focus
a friend suggested privately an article in the ietf journal when someone
has died. this seems a no-brainer. and it is archived.
i will not indulge in the swamp of attempting to codify who writes it
and how. if the ietf journal editor(s) can not be trusted, replace
them. sheesh!
randy
Folks,
A thread on the nanog list, about abha ahuja, reminds me of a suggestion
I made casually to a few folk after the last IETF meeting:
We should consider having a persistent IETF page in memory of
people who were part of our community.
While the idea is simple, the comments I got
I am very supportive of this idea.
Russ
On Oct 21, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
Folks,
A thread on the nanog list, about abha ahuja, reminds me of a suggestion I
made casually to a few folk after the last IETF meeting:
We should consider having a persistent IETF page in
...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Crocker
Sent: 21 October 2012 17:32
To: IETF Discussion
Subject: In Memoriam IETF web page
Folks,
A thread on the nanog list, about abha ahuja, reminds me of a suggestion
I made casually to a few folk after the last IETF meeting:
We should consider having
October 2012 17:32
To: IETF Discussion
Subject: In Memoriam IETF web page
Folks,
A thread on the nanog list, about abha ahuja, reminds me of a suggestion
I made casually to a few folk after the last IETF meeting:
We should consider having a persistent IETF page in memory of
people who were
--On Sunday, October 21, 2012 17:43 +0100 Adrian Farrel
adr...@olddog.co.uk wrote:
In practice, that will mean, anyone who someone else thinks
was a part of the community.
It would not be seemly to squabble about whether someone had
really played a significant part in the IETF, and would
of the deceased's life.
Cheers,
Adrian
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Dave
Crocker
Sent: 21 October 2012 17:32
To: IETF Discussion
Subject: In Memoriam IETF web page
Folks,
A thread on the nanog list, about abha ahuja
i started the thread on nanog. i am not sure abha or jon would want to
be on such a list. remember them and honor and carry on their work,
don't memorialize them.
randy
On Oct 21, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
i started the thread on nanog. i am not sure abha or jon would want to
be on such a list. remember them and honor and carry on their work,
don't memorialize them.
+1
I'm supportive of ideas in this space.
I agree with Adrian that it would be far better to include someone that
some people don't recognize as influencing the community than to ever
get into an argument about excluding someone.
I am happy if others work out the details and trust to the community to
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