Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-06 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, July 06, 2012 00:28 -0400 Tony Hansen t...@att.com wrote: Authoritative, no. But definitely referenced by many, many people and IMO worthy of a certain amount of care. No disagreement about care. But it seems to me that adequate care requires keeping track of a future version,

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-06 Thread SM
At 20:22 05-07-2012, Tony Hansen wrote: I think my point was missed. Section 2 says: All published versions will be archived using URLs of the form http://www.ietf.org/tao-MMDD.html. My question is: Where is there a list of all of the tao version files? How would one be able to find out

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-06 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, July 06, 2012 07:16 +0200 Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: +1 I support all your suggestions (i.e. point 1 and 2, and nits i and ii ) , and hope that iesg, and editor agrees, and that the community considers them for progress. I seen the change in the

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi John, Let's wait for the iesg and I trust they will find the solution after they read our comments. I beleive that your comments are sound, and will be taken by the iesg. If things turn against your suggestions there are some procedure-options to go forward, but I don't think will be in that

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, June 15, 2012 13:29 -0700 The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page' draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt as Informational RFC The

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-05 Thread Paul Hoffman
Based on many people's input (most recently, John's), I have updated the draft to more cleanly separate out the history of the Tao from the change that is happening. --Paul Hoffman A new version of I-D, draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Paul Hoffman and

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, July 05, 2012 14:19 -0700 Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: Based on many people's input (most recently, John's), I have updated the draft to more cleanly separate out the history of the Tao from the change that is happening. Paul, While I'd prefer to see you go even

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-05 Thread Tony Hansen
I've read this version and think it's an excellent revision. Is there going to be a way of seeing a list of all the versions of the tao? Or links within tao.html to the previous version? Perhaps a www.ietf.org/tao/ should be maintained that has pointers to all the versions as well any

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-05 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jul 5, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: Is there going to be a way of seeing a list of all the versions of the tao? Or links within tao.html to the previous version? Perhaps a www.ietf.org/tao/ should be maintained that has pointers to all the versions as well any proposed update.

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-05 Thread Tony Hansen
I think my point was missed. Section 2 says: All published versions will be archived using URLs of the form http://www.ietf.org/tao-MMDD.html. My question is: Where is there a list of all of the tao version files? How would one be able to find out the name of the previous version so

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, July 05, 2012 23:22 -0400 Tony Hansen t...@att.com wrote: I think my point was missed. Section 2 says: All published versions will be archived using URLs of the form http://www.ietf.org/tao-MMDD.html. My question is: Where is there a list of all of the tao version

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-05 Thread Tony Hansen
Authoritative, no. But definitely referenced by many, many people and IMO worthy of a certain amount of care. Tony Hansen On 7/5/2012 11:57 PM, John C Klensin wrote: --On Thursday, July 05, 2012 23:22 -0400 Tony Hansen t...@att.com wrote: I think my point was missed. Section 2 says:

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-07-05 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
+1 I support all your suggestions (i.e. point 1 and 2, and nits i and ii ) , and hope that iesg, and editor agrees, and that the community considers them for progress. I seen the change in the draft-document-03 which I think getting better but still not satisfied The new vesion 3 draft (dated 5

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-06-18 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
It will be better to have both webpage and RFC AB On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM, The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page'

Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-06-17 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I suggest to have both webpage and RFC AB On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM, The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page'

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-06-16 Thread Harald Alvestrand
On 06/15/2012 11:27 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Jun 15, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: One possible oversight is that this I-D does not describe how the editor will work on the tao-possible-revision.html file (e.g., will only the editor have permissions to work on that, might there

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-06-15 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jun 15, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: One possible oversight is that this I-D does not describe how the editor will work on the tao-possible-revision.html file (e.g., will only the editor have permissions to work on that, might there be multiple committers, will it be under

Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-06-15 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/15/12 3:27 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Jun 15, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: One possible oversight is that this I-D does not describe how the editor will work on the tao-possible-revision.html file (e.g., will only the editor have permissions to work on that, might there be

Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt (Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page) to Informational RFC

2012-06-15 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page' draft-hoffman-tao-as-web-page-02.txt as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on