Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management (Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions) to BCP

2009-06-04 Thread Eliot Lear
Sam, Thanks for posting your review. It caused me to have a look at the document, because I've been considering writing something of a missive on my own. I have to say that I enjoyed reading this draft up to about Section 3, and then I came to some problems. I'll spell those out in a

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management (Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions) to BCP

2009-06-04 Thread SM
At 12:22 03-06-2009, Sam Hartman wrote: I appreciate the work that has gone into this document. People have worked hard to find examples, cases and even pithy sayings/architectural principles from many areas of the IETF. The document tries to be broad and to look at a lot of options. I think

Re: [OPSAWG] Last Call: draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management (Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions) to BCP

2009-06-04 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: Eliot Lear l...@cisco.com To: Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu Cc: ops...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Last Call: draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management (Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management (Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions) to BCP

2009-06-03 Thread Sam Hartman
I was assigned this document as a secdir review. I'm not sure I have any comments in that capacity. However, I do have significant comments on the last call of this document. I appreciate the work that has gone into this document. People have worked hard to find examples, cases and even pithy

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management (Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions) to BCP

2009-05-22 Thread Bernard Aboba
While I consider much of this document thoughtful and useful, there are a number of assertions in Section 1 which concern me. Section 1.2 of the document states that this document does not make a recommendation with respect to publication requirements: Any decision to make a Management

Last Call: draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management (Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions) to BCP

2009-05-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Operations and Management Area Working Group WG (opsawg) to consider the following document: - 'Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New Protocols and Protocol Extensions ' draft-ietf-opsawg-operations-and-management-07.txt as a