Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-05 Thread Pete Resnick
On 9/5/13 2:45 PM, Scott O Bradner wrote: looks good to me except that maybe using the IETF Announce list rather than IESG minutes as the publication of record The only reason I went with the IESG minutes is because they do state the pending actions too, as well as the completed ones,

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-05 Thread Jari Arkko
I also agree that the minutes are the most complete/official record we have. Jari On Sep 6, 2013, at 1:40 AM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: I tend to agree with Pete - the minutes are more like an official record, as well. BTW, the IESG Charter (RFC 3710) says: The

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I tend to agree with Pete - the minutes are more like an official record, as well. BTW, the IESG Charter (RFC 3710) says: The IESG publishes a record of decisions from its meetings on the Internet,... In any case, apart from this detail, I think the draft is good to go. Brian On 06/09/2013

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-05 Thread Pete Resnick
Having seen no further comments, Jari has asked me to post -01 with the changes. Done. pr -- Pete Resnickhttp://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/ Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-05 Thread Scott O Bradner
looks good to me except that maybe using the IETF Announce list rather than IESG minutes as the publication of record Scott On Sep 5, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: Having seen no further comments, Jari has asked me to post -01 with the changes. Done. pr

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-05 Thread SM
At 14:45 05-09-2013, Scott O Bradner wrote: looks good to me except that maybe using the IETF Announce list rather than IESG minutes as the publication of record What draft-resnick-retire-std1-01 says is that the publication of record has been the IESG minutes. I read what Scott Bradner

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, September 05, 2013 15:20 -0700 Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: IESG minutes as the publication of record The only reason I went with the IESG minutes is because they do state the pending actions too, as well as the completed ones, which the IETF Announce

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Bradner, Scott
the quoted text came from RFC 1602 and is descriptive not proscriptive removing a description of a process that is no longer followed makes sense to me but might not warrant a RFC to do but the 3rd paragraph in section 6.1.3 says: The RFC Editor shall publish periodically an Internet Official

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Pete Resnick
On 9/3/13 9:32 AM, Bradner, Scott wrote: the quoted text came from RFC 1602 and is descriptive not proscriptive removing a description of a process that is no longer followed makes sense to me but might not warrant a RFC to do but the 3rd paragraph in section 6.1.3 says: The RFC Editor

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 04/09/2013 04:16, Pete Resnick wrote: On 9/3/13 9:32 AM, Bradner, Scott wrote: the quoted text came from RFC 1602 and is descriptive not proscriptive removing a description of a process that is no longer followed makes sense to me but might not warrant a RFC to do but the 3rd paragraph in

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Spencer Dawkins
On 9/3/2013 3:49 PM, Bradner, Scott wrote: in line On Sep 3, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: at it - maybe you should remove the 2nd paragraph in the same section An official summary of standards actions completed and pending shall appear in each

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Pete Resnick
On 9/3/13 1:13 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 04/09/2013 04:16, Pete Resnick wrote: On 9/3/13 9:32 AM, Bradner, Scott wrote: ...the 3rd paragraph in section 6.1.3... Good catch. I'll switch the citation and the quote to the bit from 6.1.3, but I'll also note the removal of

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Bradner, Scott
in line On Sep 3, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: On 9/3/13 1:13 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 04/09/2013 04:16, Pete Resnick wrote: On 9/3/13 9:32 AM, Bradner, Scott wrote: ...the 3rd paragraph in section 6.1.3... Good catch. I'll switch

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Comment at the end... On 04/09/2013 08:58, Spencer Dawkins wrote: On 9/3/2013 3:49 PM, Bradner, Scott wrote: in line On Sep 3, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: at it - maybe you should remove the 2nd paragraph in the same section An official

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Pete Resnick
On 9/3/13 3:17 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: rant class=shortSo that the reader of RFC 2026 will need to read yet another document to get the full picture? There are currently 8 RFCs that update RFC 2026, some of which have been updated themselves./rant Quite seriously - I appreciate Pete's

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Spencer Dawkins
On 9/3/2013 6:02 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: On 9/3/13 3:17 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: rant class=shortSo that the reader of RFC 2026 will need to read yet another document to get the full picture? There are currently 8 RFCs that update RFC 2026, some of which have been updated themselves./rant

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 04/09/2013 11:20, Spencer Dawkins wrote: On 9/3/2013 6:02 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: On 9/3/13 3:17 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: rant class=shortSo that the reader of RFC 2026 will need to read yet another document to get the full picture? There are currently 8 RFCs that update RFC 2026,

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread SM
Hi Pete, At 16:02 03-09-2013, Pete Resnick wrote: OK, does this do anything for anyone? Finally, RFC 2026 [RFC2026] section 6.1.3 also calls for the publication of an official summary of standards actions completed and pending in the Internet Society's newsletter. This has also not

Re: Last Call: draft-resnick-retire-std1-00.txt (Retirement of the Internet Official Protocol Standards Summary Document) to Best Current Practice

2013-09-03 Thread Pete Resnick
On 9/3/13 4:28 PM, SM wrote: Hi Pete, At 16:02 03-09-2013, Pete Resnick wrote: OK, does this do anything for anyone? Finally, RFC 2026 [RFC2026] section 6.1.3 also calls for the publication of an official summary of standards actions completed and pending in the Internet Society's