Re: Monday consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-31 Thread Margaret Wasserman
This looks fine to me. Margaret At 11:33 AM +0100 1/31/05, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: Lots of commentary on this one, some principle-based, some pointing out where the text-as-written said something that was Obviously Wrong. I've tuned the text below to: - Removed the para about metrics.

Re: Monday consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-31 Thread John C Klensin
Harald, I still think this is a bad model, but I'm clearly (at least among those who are speaking up) in the minority on that. With one correction, and a last quibble, I think it is now at least consistent enough that, if it causes problems, we can get to the substance of them and fix it rather

Re: Monday consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-31 Thread Leslie Daigle
Howdy, I'm a little concerned about hacking the appeals path on the fly (i.e., dropping the IESG and going straight to IAB), but I can live with that. WRT this: Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: - Removed the para about metrics. That's not part of this section. Could go under IAD responsibilities.

Re: Monday consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-31 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 31 January, 2005 14:00 -0500 Leslie Daigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy, I'm a little concerned about hacking the appeals path on the fly (i.e., dropping the IESG and going straight to IAB), but I can live with that. WRT this: Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: -

Re: Monday consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-31 Thread Leslie Daigle
Howdy, I can't entirely agree with the argumentation, in part because (and again this goes back to how the text first appeared) metrics are useful to establish the state of the system, whether to critique the state or simply understand it. Appeal is only one form of critique. That said -- I'm not

RE: Monday consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-31 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
From Haralds latest text (below), the 2nd para reads: In the case where someone questions whether a decision or action of the IAD or the IAOC has been undertaken in accordance with IETF BCPs or IASA operational guidelines (including the question of whether appropriate

RE: Monday consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-31 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On tirsdag, februar 01, 2005 01:04:39 +0100 Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Haralds latest text (below), the 2nd para reads: In the case where someone questions whether a decision or action of the IAD or the IAOC has been undertaken in accordance with IETF BCPs