Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-02 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Samuel Weiler wei...@watson.org To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:59 PM Sorting that list by affiliation and counting the number of names from each affiliation, the volunteer list as of Monday included: 16 Huawai 15 Cisco 13 Ericsson 9

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-02 Thread Yoshihiro Ohba
Probably nothing can be perfect when defining affiliation, but I think some definition can help reducing hidden conflict of interests. Here is an example in other standards body: http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliation.html Yoshihiro Ohba (2012/08/02 14:37), Samuel Weiler wrote: On Thu, 2

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
Here is an example in other standards body: http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliation.html thank you for reminding me of where i do not want to go. the ietf culture presumes the players are adults. yes, this has occasional failures, perhaps i am one. but better that than massive rules which

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-02 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Yoshihiro Ohba yoshihiro.o...@toshiba.co.jp Probably nothing can be perfect when defining affiliation, but I think some definition can help reducing hidden conflict of interests. I suspect that unless it is done very carefully, any more extensive definition is simply going

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-01 Thread Samuel Weiler
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, NomCom Chair wrote: I am pleased to report at this time we have 98 qualified individuals who have generously volunteer their time to serve on this year's NomCom. Sorting that list by affiliation and counting the number of names from each affiliation, the volunteer list

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-01 Thread Donald Eastlake
(1) Your figures show that it is more likely that a noncom member will be selected from an affiliation listed by only one volunteer then that they are to be selected from any specific affiliation listed by more than one volunteer. (2) Because of appearances of biased voting membership in some

RE: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-01 Thread Perala, Timo (NSN - FI/Espoo)
-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Donald Eastlake Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 2:07 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers (1) Your figures show that it is more likely that a noncom member will be selected from an affiliation listed by only one volunteer

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-01 Thread SM
Hi Sam, At 03:59 PM 8/1/2012, Samuel Weiler wrote: Sorting that list by affiliation and counting the number of names from each affiliation, the volunteer list as of Monday included: 16 Huawai 15 Cisco 13 Ericsson 9 Juniper 5 ZTE 4 Nokia/Siemens (debatable; see details) 3 Alcatel-Lucent 3 BBN 3

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-01 Thread Patrik Fältström
2 aug 2012 kl. 00:59 skrev Samuel Weiler wei...@watson.org: Sorting that list by affiliation and counting the number of names from each affiliation, the volunteer list as of Monday included: 16 Huawai 15 Cisco 13 Ericsson 9 Juniper 5 ZTE 4 Nokia/Siemens (debatable; see details) 3

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-01 Thread Yoshihiro Ohba
What is the exact definition of affiliation in IETF? If a consultant who runs his/her own consulting company X is paid by his/her customer company Y for his/her IETF activities including NOMCOM activity, then what is his/her affiliation? Yoshihiro Ohba (2012/08/02 11:13), Patrik Fältström

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-01 Thread Michael StJohns
I reported both when I volunteered. Sent from my iPad On Aug 1, 2012, at 22:10, Yoshihiro Ohba yoshihiro.o...@toshiba.co.jp wrote: What is the exact definition of affiliation in IETF? If a consultant who runs his/her own consulting company X is paid by his/her customer company Y for

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-01 Thread Samuel Weiler
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012, Yoshihiro Ohba wrote: What is the exact definition of affiliation in IETF? Quoting from RFC3777: Rather than defining precise rules for how to define affiliation, the IETF community depends on the honor and integrity of the participants to make the process work. As a

NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-07-30 Thread NomCom Chair
The NomCom 2012-2013 Call for Volunteers is nearing its conclusion. If you are considering volunteering to participate in the 2012-2013 NomCom, please volunteer soon. Individuals willing to serve on this year's NomCom must send email to nomcom-ch...@ietf.org on or before Sunday, August 5.