RE: PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs))

2006-01-12 Thread Lars-Erik Jonsson \(LU/EAB\)
Before I go on, I continue to be fascinated by the observation that, each time the we really need pictures and fancy formatting and need them frequently argument comes up, the vast majority of those who make it most strongly are people whose contributions to the IETF -- in designer, editor,

Re: PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs))

2006-01-12 Thread Stewart Bryant
Lars-Erik Jonsson (LU/EAB) wrote: Before I go on, I continue to be fascinated by the observation that, each time the we really need pictures and fancy formatting and need them frequently argument comes up, the vast majority of those who make it most strongly are people whose contributions to

RE: PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs))

2006-01-12 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 12 January, 2006 12:28 +0100 Lars-Erik Jonsson \\(LU/EAB\\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I go on, I continue to be fascinated by the observation that, each time the we really need pictures and fancy formatting and need them frequently argument comes up, the vast majority

Re: PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs))

2006-01-12 Thread Robert Sayre
On 1/12/06, John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: increasing experience within the IETF and with our style of developing and working on documents (not just publishing them) tends to cause both patience and respect for the ASCII graphics and formats to rise. I'm surprised folks are

RE: PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs))

2006-01-12 Thread Lars-Erik Jonsson \(LU/EAB\)
John, Stewart and others, I believe some might have taken my previous note more personally than intended, as well as John's. As also made clear by John below, we both looked at this with a significantly longer time-perspective than just the last weeks or months, as these issues have been brought

Re: PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs))

2006-01-11 Thread Bob Braden
* * Under those conditions, our precedents are that you can probably * convince the WG/WGchairs/ADs, and eventually the RFC Editor, * that a PDF document containing a picture of the Mona Lisa and an * ASCII document with * * _- * / \ *

ancients-moderns dispute (was: PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs)))

2006-01-06 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
We need to get out this ancients vs moderns dispute. Ancients saying they have no experience of actual need by moderns, and moderns saying this is because the ancient culture does not permit it. Is there an objection to quote non-ascii documents hyperlinks? I suppose not. Why not to just to

Re: ancients-moderns dispute (was: PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs)))

2006-01-06 Thread Bob Braden
* * Why not to just to proceed step by step and experiment? Let create an * optional non-ascii art RFC-Editor repositories, for images quoted in * RFCs. This will not permit non-ASCII art to be normative but will * permit non-ASCII art to be _better_ descriptive in a first time.

Re: ancients-moderns dispute (was: PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs)))

2006-01-06 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 18:49 06/01/2006, Bob Braden wrote: * * Why not to just to proceed step by step and experiment? Let create an * optional non-ascii art RFC-Editor repositories, for images quoted in * RFCs. This will not permit non-ASCII art to be normative but will * permit non-ASCII art to be

PDF, Postscript, and normative versions (was: Re: Baby Steps (was RE: Alternative formats for IDs))

2006-01-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 05 January, 2006 17:01 + Stewart Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I find it interesting that it has not been taken advantage of more often (and, for the record, I'm one of those who has taken advantage of it). When it has been done for artwork purposes, the artwork in