Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
In case some people did not see this in the flurry of messages on the thread, here is Margaret's proposed text with Leslie's edits, incorporated as best I can. I also tuned grammar slightly in some places. 3.5 Review and Appeal of IAD and IAOC Decision The IAOC is directly accountable to

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread Scott W Brim
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 03:02:00PM +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote: The request for review is addressed to the IAOC chair and should include a description of the decision or action to be reviewed, an explanation of how the decision or action violates the BCPs or violates -

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread John C Klensin
Harald, You asked, and I responded, privately about this, but, since you have identified it as a consensus request, I suppose I should restate my concerns in public.Unfortunately, some of this revisits the area in which I think Sam (and others) and I have agreed to disagree -- I don't know

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread Dean Anderson
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Scott W Brim wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 03:02:00PM +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote: The request for review is addressed to the IAOC chair and should include a description of the decision or action to be reviewed, an explanation of how the

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, 28 January, 2005 11:54 -0500 Dean Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Scott W Brim wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 03:02:00PM +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote: The request for review is addressed to the IAOC chair and should include a

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread Leslie Daigle
Since I am responsible for some of this text, let me add a couple of comments, in-line: John C Klensin wrote: 3.5 Review and Appeal of IAD and IAOC Decision The IAOC is directly accountable to the IETF community for the performance of the IASA. In order to achieve this, the IAOC and IAD

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On fredag, januar 28, 2005 12:35:08 -0500 Leslie Daigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the nature of the review request. Based on the results of the review, the IAOC may choose to overturn their own decision and/or to change their operational guidelines to prevent further

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread Dean Anderson
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, John C Klensin wrote: ...believed to violate... ...putatively violates... ...alleged to violate... and other phrases would, I think, satisfy both Scott's concerns and yours. Sure, I'm good with that. How about: ...an explanation of how the decision or action is

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, 28 January, 2005 12:35 -0500 Leslie Daigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I am responsible for some of this text, let me add a couple of comments, in-line: John C Klensin wrote: 3.5 Review and Appeal of IAD and IAOC Decision The IAOC is directly accountable to the

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread Sam Hartman
I support this text. I prefer the last paragraph be present but this is not a strong preference. I'd like to find some way to make it clear to the community that other forms of comments are appropriate but am happy to agree with Leslie that the BCP is not the place for that.

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread Margaret Wasserman
At 11:01 AM -0500 1/28/05, John C Klensin wrote: Hi John, Additionally, the IASA should ensure that there are reported objective performance metrics for all IETF administrative support activities. Back when I was actively doing political science, the belief that everything could be

Re: Proposed consensus text: #725 Appealing decisions

2005-01-28 Thread avri
I would also prefer that the last paragragh stay in. a. On 28 jan 2005, at 14.13, Sam Hartman wrote: I support this text. I prefer the last paragraph be present but this is not a strong preference. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org