RE: [newtrk] Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-12 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Tue July 12 2005 02:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What I would like is that the RFC Index would accurately convey the current > status of any RFC. So, if I needed to check the status of a protocol which > I am not intimately familiar with, I would not need to subscribe to a WG > mailing list

RE: [newtrk] Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread john . loughney
Brian, > Sure, but the logic is nevertheless a bit contorted - but rather than > debating what the current system *means* could be concentrate > on what we should do in future? > > Incidentally 3596 (a DS) obsoletes 3152 (a BCP). That's unusual, > but it isn't illogical. However, 3152 isn't shown

RE: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread john . loughney
Bob, A question for you: > >What is the reason for continuing to list something obsolete as a Draft > >Standard? > > Because Jon Postel always did it that way? Seriously, the idea is that the > document was a Draft Standard when it was published. You can obsolete > it, but you cannot change

RE: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread john . loughney
Ted, > I've assumed that it was to tell you it was at Draft Standard when the > document > that replaced it was issued. That way you can tell whether the new doc is > a recycle-in-grade, an update to get something to the next step, or a > downgrade. > The real meat of the data here, though, is

RE: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread john . loughney
Hi John K, > >> I would point out that it is historically useful to be able > >> to track changes between draft and full or proposed and draft > >> and we don't list status information in the RFCs... > > > > I agree with that. > > > > And, my head still hurts thinking about why we'd leave > > so

Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, July 11, 2005 09:54:14 AM +0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me out on this one. I was doing a bit of analysis on the current RFC list, and noticed that some Draft Standard documents are obsoleted. For example: 954 NICNAME/WHOIS. K. Harrens

Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11-jul-2005, at 12:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way I understand it, an RFC is only historic(al) if the technology it defines is no longer in use. Well, as Iljitsch mail pointed out, some things (3152 Delegation of IP6.ARPA) are moved to Historic when the IETF wants people to stop u

Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Bob Braden
At 09:54 AM 7/11/2005 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me out on this one. I was doing a bit of analysis on the current RFC list, and noticed that some Draft Standard documents are obsoleted. For example: 954 NICNAME/WHOIS. K. Harrenstien, M.K. Stahl,

Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Ted Hardie
At 9:54 AM +0300 7/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hi, > >I was wondering if someone could help me out on this one. I was doing a bit >of analysis on the current RFC list, and noticed that some Draft Standard >documents are obsoleted. For example: > > 954 NICNAME/WHOIS. K. Harrenstien, M.K. Stah

RE: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 11 July, 2005 13:12 +0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Eliot, > >> I would point out that it is historically useful to be able >> to track changes between draft and full or proposed and draft >> and we don't list status information in the RFCs... > > I agree with that. > > And, my

Re: [newtrk] Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Sure, but the logic is nevertheless a bit contorted - but rather than debating what the current system *means* could be concentrate on what we should do in future? Incidentally 3596 (a DS) obsoletes 3152 (a BCP). That's unusual, but it isn't illogical. However, 3152 isn't shown as Obsolete in htt

RE: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Nicholas Staff
John, > > The way I understand it, an RFC is only historic(al) if the > technology > > it defines is no longer in use. > > Well, as Iljitsch mail pointed out, some things (3152 > Delegation of IP6.ARPA) are moved to Historic when the IETF > wants people to stop using them ...' I think his e

RE: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread john . loughney
Nick, > The way I understand it, an RFC is only historic(al) if the technology it > defines is no longer in use. Well, as Iljitsch mail pointed out, some things (3152 Delegation of IP6.ARPA) are moved to Historic when the IETF wants people to stop using them ...' > An obsolete RFC means the tech

RE: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread john . loughney
Eliot, > I would point out that it is historically useful to be able to track > changes between draft and full or proposed and draft and we don't list > status information in the RFCs... I agree with that. And, my head still hurts thinking about why we'd leave something as a "Proposed Standard"

Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Eliot Lear
I would point out that it is historically useful to be able to track changes between draft and full or proposed and draft and we don't list status information in the RFCs... Eliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could help me out on this one. I was doing a bit > of

RE: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Nicholas Staff
John, The way I understand it, an RFC is only historic(al) if the technology it defines is no longer in use. An obsolete RFC means the technology is still being used, but some part of the specification (obsolete RFC) has been updated. An obsolete RFC can still be a standard as the RFC that obsol

Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11-jul-2005, at 8:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This really made me scratch my head. One would imagine if a protocol is obsoleted by another, it would not be listed as a Draft Standard any longer. ...or BCP: 3152 Delegation of IP6.ARPA. R. Bush. August 2001. (Format: TXT=5727 bytes)

Re: Question about Obsoleted vs. Historic

2005-07-11 Thread Steve Miller
I would assume historical reference. On 7/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could help me out on this one. I was doing a bit > of analysis on the current RFC list, and noticed that some Draft Standard > documents are obsoleted. For example: