Re: Format=flowed quoting (was Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs)

2012-10-25 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 25 Oct 2012, at 01:25, Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca wrote: Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: SG * text/paragraphs (or whatever), a completely different identity that violates the length limits SG Apple Mail and Microsoft use this text/paragraphs. Do you

Re: Format=flowed quoting (was Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs) In-reply-to: p06240600cca730fbf54c@[99.111.97.136]

2012-10-24 Thread Michael Richardson
Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: Warning: this message was generated by Apple Mail. RG But not using Format=Flowed. RG This reflects a misunderstanding of Format=Flowed. Properly RG generated F=F has lines of no more than 78 characters. One of RG the primary

Re: Format=flowed quoting (was Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs)

2012-10-24 Thread Michael Richardson
Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: SG Let's clear up the confusion. I made two mistakes, firstly by SG calling this F/F semantics when what I mean is some sort of SG long-line-aware reflowing and quoting. We'll have to find a name SG for it. The other mistake was to call plain text

Re: Format=flowed quoting (was Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs)

2012-10-22 Thread Randall Gellens
At 11:42 AM +0100 10/19/12, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Warning: this message was generated by Apple Mail. But not using Format=Flowed. On 16 Oct 2012, at 03:46, Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: At 9:12 AM -0400 9/5/12, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote: Maybe I'm also

Re: Format=flowed quoting (was Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs)

2012-10-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Warning: this message was generated by Apple Mail. I just can't stop my insatiable appetite for shiny things. :-( [1] On 16 Oct 2012, at 03:46, Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: At 9:12 AM -0400 9/5/12, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote: Maybe I'm also concerned because many

Re: Format=flowed quoting (was Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs)

2012-10-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 19 Oct 2012, at 17:45, Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: At 11:42 AM +0100 10/19/12, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Warning: this message was generated by Apple Mail. But not using Format=Flowed. Precisely. On 16 Oct 2012, at 03:46, Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote:

Format=flowed quoting (was Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs)

2012-10-16 Thread Randall Gellens
At 9:12 AM -0400 9/5/12, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote: Maybe I'm also concerned because many in the former elite have moved to Apple Mail, and it seems that it is bug compatible with Outlook in it's assumption that format=flowed is the default, an act which destroys email quoting, and

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-10 Thread Tony Finch
Michael Richardson {quigon} m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Let me suggest that at the IETF, where the mailing list is king, you can't join the Elite if you can't quote email properly. Maybe we should *state* this. :-) Maybe I'm also concerned because many in the former elite have moved to Apple

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 9/10/2012 1:47 AM, Tony Finch wrote: Michael Richardson {quigon} m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Let me suggest that at the IETF, where the mailing list is king, you can't join the Elite if you can't quote email properly. Maybe we should *state* this. ... message/rfc822 attachments don't work.

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com i say scott should teach emacs :) Epsilon, dude! Who the heck wants to write their editor extensions in freaking LISP? :-) http://xkcd.com/297/ Thanks, Donald

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread Melinda Shore
On 9/5/12 5:12 AM, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote: It's also possible that some grey beards who have only remote attended for years (Yes, I thinking about you Melinda, Keith...) might have missed some subtle change in process. This is a great note, Michael, and now that I'm attending again

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread Simon Perreault
Le 2012-09-05 09:12, Michael Richardson {quigon} a écrit : Let me suggest that at the IETF, where the mailing list is king, you can't join the Elite if you can't quote email properly. Maybe we should *state* this. Maybe I'm also concerned because many in the former elite have moved to Apple

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread Scott Brim
On 09/05/12 09:12, Michael Richardson {quigon} allegedly wrote: What I am writing about is that I think that we a problem with transfer students... those who did their september elsewhere, and have now switched schools for the winter semester. It doesn't occur to them that they don't know how

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread Simon Perreault
Le 2012-09-07 14:36, Scott Brim a écrit : Maybe I'm also concerned because many in the former elite have moved to Apple Mail, and it seems that it is bug compatible with Outlook in it's assumption that format=flowed is the default, an act which destroys email quoting, and therefore discussion.

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread Melinda Shore
On 9/7/12 10:53 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: Thunderbird is correct by default AFAIK. Unfortunately not on Mac OS. It's become automatic for me to hit command-R when replying, but that doesn't solve the basic problem. Melinda

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread Simon Perreault
Le 2012-09-07 15:15, Melinda Shore a écrit : On 9/7/12 10:53 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: Thunderbird is correct by default AFAIK. Unfortunately not on Mac OS. It's become automatic for me to hit command-R when replying, but that doesn't solve the basic problem. That's what we've been

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread Melinda Shore
On 9/7/12 11:30 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: That's what we've been saying. Apple sends broken mail. Thunderbird has a function to fix broken mail (command-R). Thunderbird is correct. Apple is broken. Sure, but the default wrapping is wrong for many of us and wrong for IETF email. Thunderbird

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread SM
Hi Michael, At 06:12 05-09-2012, Michael Richardson {quigon} wrote: like other SDOs, they think. Worse of all, I think, many of these people have doing what they thought was email for around a decade, (yes, using Outlook), they have no idea how email works, nor do they even know there is

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread Randy Bush
really good message michael. shame about the line wrap :) Thunderbird is correct by default AFAIK. Unfortunately not on Mac OS. It's become automatic for me to hit command-R when replying, but that doesn't solve the basic problem. in the new ietf, everyone will use emacs. the old dogs'

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-07 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com i say scott should teach emacs :) Epsilon, dude! Who the heck wants to write their editor extensions in freaking LISP? :-) Noel