On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Henk Uijterwaal h...@ripe.net wrote:
I think it is safe to assume that the government did run some checks
on what the IETF is doing and, if we did keep ourselves busy with
things they do not like, then I seriously doubt that they would
have given the host
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:12:59 -0500
Matt Crawford craw...@fnal.gov wrote:
On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
We are therefore asking for input from the community by two means -
by commenting on the IETF discussion list, ...
I'm trying to imagine the thought police
On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
Should the contents of the Group's activities, visual or audio
presentations at the conference,or printed materials used at the
conference (which are within the control of the Client) contain
any defamation against the Government of
Marshall, excellent statement for the IAOC.
May I recommend that the IETF sit down with representatives of the People's
Republic of China and the U.S. government and discuss concerns with meetings
in both countries -- the issue of censorship in China and arbitrary visa
problems in the U.S.
Not to
On Sep 18, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Gene Gaines wrote:
Marshall, excellent statement for the IAOC.
Thank you, but I trust that you and others understand that the
statement represents the consensus view of the IAOC, and was prepared
by the IAOC working together.
The Chair, Bob Hinden, has been
On Sep 18, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
I think it is safe to assume that the government did run some checks
on what the IETF is doing
The government has been negotiating to bring an IETF meeting to China
since 1997, and has been very carefully vetting the IETF's activities
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On 9/18/09 1:33 PM, Bernard Aboba wrote:
The IETF does not and cannot make any warranties relating to the
political views, manners or behavior of attendees. The attendees are
responsible for their own actions, and the IETF has no ability ensure
On 2009-09-19 08:08, Fred Baker wrote:
On Sep 18, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
I think it is safe to assume that the government did run some checks
on what the IETF is doing
The government has been negotiating to bring an IETF meeting to China
since 1997, and has been very
From: Paul Wouters p...@xelerance.com
Perhaps appropriate people could inform about organisational matters
with others who have more experience, for example the IOC.
Umm, you're not being ironic here, are you?
I'm wondering, because as I assume you are aware, a number of promises
--On Friday, September 18, 2009 21:29 +0200 Henk Uijterwaal
h...@ripe.net wrote:
John, (and others),
The difficulty is
that, from things I've heard informally, the proposed Host
(Client) isn't the government or a government body.
The (possible) host is not a government body. However,
On 18 Sep 2009, at 16:42, Marshall Eubanks t...@americafree.tv wrote:
Greetings;
We have received numerous suggestions and requests for an IETF meeting
in China
I'd have no problem with such a meeting if, and only if, there would
be a normal meeting network with normal Internet access. I
--On Friday, September 18, 2009 15:46 -0400 Steven M. Bellovin
s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote:
...
Speaking of Danvers -- what is the situation -- theory and
practice -- regarding encrypted transmissions to/from such a
meeting? I think that a high percentage of IETF attendees are
using various
Technically, the IETF (or ISOC or IAOC) will not be signing the
agreement, the host in China will, but that's in some sense a fairly
minor detail. We would still be expected to play by the rules.
I don't think anyone is expecting us to warrant the views or
behaviors of our attendees, so
--On Friday, September 18, 2009 15:02 -0400 Paul Wouters
p...@xelerance.com wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, John C Klensin wrote:
I am concerned that, if there is some incident --completely
unrelated to IETF-- that someone associated with the host or
hotel might overreact and decide to
In addition to the distasteful restriction on freedom of speech placed
on attendees (comments, perhaps made in jest, during the plenary or
even in the hallway about the great firewall of china might cause
summary ejection of the individuals or the entire groups), there are
two other issues that
From: Theodore Tso ty...@mit.edu
(comments, perhaps made in jest, during the plenary or even in the
hallway about the great firewall of china might cause summary
ejection of the individuals or the entire groups)
Look at the bright side: if that should by some chance happen,
Date:Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
From:Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com
Message-ID: pine.gso.4.63.0909181236360.12...@pita.cisco.com
| Whether or not we should meet in China based on principles of
| free speech and such is, I think, something we need to come
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 08:16:18AM +0700, Robert Elz wrote:
Date:Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
From:Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com
Message-ID: pine.gso.4.63.0909181236360.12...@pita.cisco.com
| Whether or not we should meet in China based on principles of
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Theodore Tso wrote:
OTOH, if there is a legal agreement which must be signed which clearly
impacts the free speach rights of IETF attendees, past a certain
level, I think it is valid for us as a community to decide that maybe
using such a venue might not be the path
On 9/18/09 at 5:35 PM -0400, John C Klensin wrote:
But, at least to my knowledge, the IETF has not been asked before
(by any country) to agree to having the meeting stopped, having all
participants being kicked out of the country, and bearing full
financial responsibility for any costs that
Greetings;
We have received numerous suggestions and requests for an IETF meeting
in China and the IAOC has been working on a potential China meeting for
several years. We are now close to making a decision on a potential
upcoming meeting in China. However, the following issue has arisen
and we
On Sep 18, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Scott Brim wrote:
Excerpts from Marshall Eubanks on Fri, Sep 18, 2009 11:42:00AM -0400:
Greetings;
We have received numerous suggestions and requests for an IETF
meeting
in China and the IAOC has been working on a potential China meeting
for
several years.
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