On 30/Aug/11 04:50, Michel Py wrote:
The mechanism (ICMP redirects) is technically fine and socially not.
People have become paranoid and now they firewall everything. It is a
behavioral animal. I'm not saying it's a good idea; the market answer to
crossing firewalls is to encapsulate
You could start by looking at MANET work, both in the WG of that
name and work outside the IETF under that name and as ad hoc
networks (the mobile in MANET can be misleading, D for dynamic
might be mor to the point) and mesh networks. There are real
networks (such as the Freifunk network in
This sounds like yet another repeated cyclic centralization to/from
distribution viewpoint. The more things change, the more it remains
the same. Inevitably someone will get the bright idea to be more, to
consolidate more and once again offer central/services for its
surroundings and then at
From: Michel Py [mic...@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us]
I'm no expert in this, but isn't this what ICMP Redirect messages
are for? Aren't routers required to generate them in these cases?
Unfortunately, ICMP redirects are often broken. It is a well-known issue
that the introduction of
Worley, Dale R wrote:
Someone says, Many deployed systems don't
implement that mechanism correctly.
That's not what I said; the mechanism is deployed correctly, the problem
is that there is another layer on top of it (in that case, the Windows
Firewall, but it's not the only culprit) that
On 8/26/11 14:08 , Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/26/2011 13:57, Adam Novak wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote:
I have a related-but-different example of how end nodes being able to
know/discover direct paths to one another could be useful. Imagine a
busy
On 8/26/11 08:04 , Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote:
From: Adam Novak [interf...@gmail.com]
Say I wanted to send data to my friend in the flat next to mine. It is
idiotic that nowadays, I would use the bottleneck subscriber line to
my upstream ISP and my crippled upload speed and push it all the
I disagree with the fundamental premise of this concept, that it is a PROBLEM
that the Internet is not a network. Um, last I looked, the Internet is an
interconnection of networks. Not a network in that sense.
Edge devices can today, in the scenario you portray, pick the best network to
From: Adam Novak [interf...@gmail.com]
Say I wanted to send data to my friend in the flat next to mine. It is
idiotic that nowadays, I would use the bottleneck subscriber line to
my upstream ISP and my crippled upload speed and push it all the way
across their infrastructure to my neighbors
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:04, Worley, Dale R (Dale) dwor...@avaya.com wrote:
There must be at least a few hundred million mobile phones with data
capability, and a similar number of homes and small businesses with
WiFi systems. So we can estimate that a large fraction of a billion
entries
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote:
From: Adam Novak [interf...@gmail.com]
Say I wanted to send data to my friend in the flat next to mine. It is
idiotic that nowadays, I would use the bottleneck subscriber line to
my upstream ISP and my crippled upload speed and push
On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Scott Brim wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:04, Worley, Dale R (Dale) dwor...@avaya.com
wrote:
There must be at least a few hundred million mobile phones with data
capability, and a similar number of homes and small businesses with
WiFi systems. So we can
On 08/26/2011 10:20, David Morris wrote:
I don't see this as a routing difficulty since the updated tables would be
highly local to the edge routers which would only need to know about
the more precise route between peers.
BUT I see enormous issues in terms of providing the capability in a
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote:
I have a related-but-different example of how end nodes being able to
know/discover direct paths to one another could be useful. Imagine a
busy server network with some web servers over here, some sql servers
over there,
On 08/26/2011 13:57, Adam Novak wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote:
I have a related-but-different example of how end nodes being able to
know/discover direct paths to one another could be useful. Imagine a
busy server network with some web servers
Worley, Dale R wrote:
I'm no expert in this, but isn't this what ICMP Redirect messages
are for? Aren't routers required to generate them in these cases?
Unfortunately, ICMP redirects are often broken. It is a well-known issue
that the introduction of Windows XP SP2 (a while ago) and the
On 2011-08-27 04:03, Scott Brim wrote:
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:04, Worley, Dale R (Dale) dwor...@avaya.com
wrote:
There must be at least a few hundred million mobile phones with data
capability, and a similar number of homes and small businesses with
WiFi systems. So we can estimate that
On 8/27/2011 4:08 AM, Doug Barton wrote:
...
As long as they know
they're on the same subnet (and ARP broadcasts will reach everyone)
they should just ARP for each other and not involve the router at all.
If they are on different IP subnets, but the same Ethernet,
Yes, this is more often
I trust that some of you have seen this article from a while back:
http://moblog.wiredwings.com/archives/20110315/How-We-Killed-The-Internet-And-Nobody-Noticed.html
An informative except:
When I open my laptop, I see over ten different wifi access points.
Say I wanted to send data to my friend
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