Re: Scenario C prerequisites (Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here)

2004-09-23 Thread Brian E Carpenter
So, as I see it, we can choose scenario C which includes this bureaucratic work, as well as many other pieces of bureaucratic work, or we can choose scenario O in which all this work was done ten years ago. Brian Karl Auerbach wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Gene Gaines wrote: ISOC is non-profit,

Scenario C prerequisites (Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here)

2004-09-22 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Scott, some meta-thoughts. --On 21. september 2004 20:33 -0400 scott bradner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Scenario C document says that there are 3 prerequisites required before the option of a corporation can be considered viable at all 1/ IETF consensus on the plan 2/ ISOC

Re: Scenario C prerequisites (Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here)

2004-09-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 22 September, 2004 05:59 +0200 Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... re: 3/ Of course, there can be no assurance that a corporation will be tax exempt unless 1/ it already is, or 2/ the IRS rules that it is. Scenario O covers the 1st case since the ISOC is

Re: Scenario C prerequisites (Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here)

2004-09-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 22 September, 2004 05:59 +0200 Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... re: 3/ Of course, there can be no assurance that a corporation will be tax exempt unless 1/ it already is, or 2/ the IRS rules that it is. Scenario O covers the 1st case since the ISOC is

Re: Scenario C prerequisites (Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here)

2004-09-22 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, September 22, 2004 05:59:02 +0200 Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a bit facetious here, the only way to be sure the sun will rise in the morning is to wait for it to show up. If we get an organizational charter that a tax attorney is willing to assure us is

Re: Scenario C prerequisites (Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here)

2004-09-22 Thread Karl Auerbach
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: I think this and a number of other points made here gloss over a key point of which some of the participants may not be aware. Under US law, there is a significant difference between not-for-profit and charitable nonprofit It might be useful to

Re: Scenario C prerequisites (Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here)

2004-09-22 Thread Gene Gaines
Karl, 2 cents. Assuming IETF is going to set up a corporation and it is to be created in the United States, it appears to me there are strong reasons for incorporating as a non-profit, and further to obtain tax-exempt status as a 501(c)(3) organization. It appears to me that IETF qualifies for

Re: Scenario C prerequisites (Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here)

2004-09-22 Thread Karl Auerbach
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Gene Gaines wrote: ISOC is non-profit, 501(c)(3) tax-exempt, incorporated in the District of Columbia. I suggest it would be a serious mistake for the IETF not to obtain the same status. There are many kinds of 501(c) exemptions. They all come with different kinds of chains

Re: Scenario C prerequisites (Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here)

2004-09-22 Thread Gene Gaines
Karl, Good thoughts. I agree with all. I suppose the reason for my long writing was to say that 501(3)(?) status should not be feared, the process is predictable, and I think you will find the IRS actually will assist in the process. In any event, requires a good non-profit / tax lawyer to