Re: Should the IESG manage or not?

2005-07-01 Thread Keith Moore
> Date:Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:12:07 -0400 > From:Jeffrey Hutzelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > | Note that I would consider it entirely reasonable for the IESG to say > that > | something "conflicts with work in the IETF" on the grounds

Re: Should the IESG manage or not?

2005-07-01 Thread Sam Hartman
> "John" == John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Yes, the IESG could abuse its power in the future. For example >> if it failed to charter work for one of the previous options in >> the presence of significant community support, then the IESG >> would be abusing its po

Re: Should the IESG manage or not?

2005-07-01 Thread Masataka Ohta
kre; > | Note that I would consider it entirely reasonable for the IESG to say > that > | something "conflicts with work in the IETF" on the grounds that its > | deployment would break the Internet, since preserving the stability of > the > | Internet is a fundamental part of _all_ IE

Re: Should the IESG manage or not?

2005-07-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:12:07 -0400 From:Jeffrey Hutzelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Note that I would consider it entirely reasonable for the IESG to say that | something "conflicts with work in the IETF" on the grounds that its |

Re: Should the IESG manage or not?

2005-06-30 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:21:10 -0400 From:Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The RFc 2780 procedures are a sparse. We'd all be happier if the | community had given us more advice on what criteria to use when | evaluating hop-by-ho

Re: Should the IESG manage or not?

2005-06-30 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, June 30, 2005 06:50:30 PM -0400 John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems to me that the key text in 3932 is In March 2004, the IESG decided to make a major change in this review model. The new review model will have the

Re: Should the IESG manage or not?

2005-06-30 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 30 June, 2005 17:21 -0400 Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "John" == John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > John> Hans, I think this formulation is consistent with > what I, John> and others, have been trying to say. I > would, however, add John>

Should the IESG manage or not?

2005-06-30 Thread Sam Hartman
> "John" == John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> Hans, I think this formulation is consistent with what I, John> and others, have been trying to say. I would, however, add John> one element. John> However, especially since the IETF maintains liaisons with John>