Re: Sponsorship (was Re: IETF Meetings - High Registration Fees)

2002-03-19 Thread Keith Moore
Being practical, you only *need* to attend a meeting if there is an intractable problem in front of a WG you're actively participating in, and solving that problem requires a face-to-face session. essentially all of the work done at meetings happens in the hallways, restaurants, and bars -

Re: Sponsorship (was Re: IETF Meetings - High Registration Fees)

2002-03-19 Thread Matt Crawford
essentially all of the work done at meetings happens in the hallways, restaurants, and bars - when small groups of people get together ... Yes, I see. So much for the myth of an open process.

Re: Sponsorship (was Re: IETF Meetings - High Registration Fees)

2002-03-19 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:43:06 CST, Matt Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: essentially all of the work done at meetings happens in the hallways, restaurants, and bars - when small groups of people get together ... Yes, I see. So much for the myth of an open process. I'm willing to place

Re: Sponsorship (was Re: IETF Meetings - High Registration Fees)

2002-03-19 Thread Matt Crawford
essentially all of the work done at meetings happens in the hallways, restaurants, and bars - when small groups of people get together ... Yes, I see. So much for the myth of an open process. I'm willing to place bets that a *very* large chunk of things accomplished in the

Re: Sponsorship (was Re: IETF Meetings - High Registration Fees)

2002-03-19 Thread Keith Moore
essentially all of the work done at meetings happens in the hallways, restaurants, and bars - when small groups of people get together ... Yes, I see. So much for the myth of an open process. you cleverly left off the rest of my statement where I said the ideas are reviewed by WGs. nor

Re: Sponsorship (was Re: IETF Meetings - High Registration Fees)

2002-03-19 Thread Keith Moore
You've said that you don't go to meetings, so I won't fault your naivete, but the bulk of the hallway and bar work consists of squashing, not originating, WG items. since more bad/naive ideas are generated than good ones, this seems entirely appropriate.

Re: Sponsorship (was Re: IETF Meetings - High Registration Fees)

2002-03-19 Thread RL 'Bob' Morgan
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: I think this is an artifact of the use of mailing lists for WG traffic: it's just not practical to follow all the mailing lists. (I sure don't.) A possible solution would be to feed all of the WG lists into a read-only IMAP (and NNTP) server,

Sponsorship (was Re: IETF Meetings - High Registration Fees)

2002-03-18 Thread Paul Robinson
On Mar 18, Scott Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip all your arguments that I now accept as being reasonable now I've had a reasonable intake of Dr. Pepper and cigarettes :-) I think you make some good points regarding the ability of independent developers to find funding. So good that