RE: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Dave Cridland
On 23 Aug 2013 04:22, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: LC should not be treated as a right of passage, to test the patience of folks who have developed a document. rite? Right - right or rite? Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Scott Brim
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: In pragmatic terms, the current operational model for a LC (and IESG) review tends to enforce no rules or limits to what can be challenged or suggested, while simultaneously expecting those who have been doing the work to

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Dave Crocker
On 8/23/2013 11:06 AM, Scott Brim wrote: We don't have to be like the ones we all know who sneer at anyone presuming to get in the way of their code going into production. Since this is such a fundamental point, I'm sending this reply to emphasize: The concern I expressed had nothing at

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Hector Santos
Dave Crocker wrote: On 8/23/2013 11:06 AM, Scott Brim wrote: We don't have to be like the ones we all know who sneer at anyone presuming to get in the way of their code going into production. Since this is such a fundamental point, I'm sending this reply to emphasize: The concern I

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Dave, I read the messages on this thread. I suggested to the participant to comment. I am okay with the comments which were made. I had an off-list exchange before the message that generated the other thread. The exchange was not antagonistic. Some people read please read the

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 8/23/2013 11:06 AM, Scott Brim wrote: We don't have to be like the ones we all know who sneer at anyone presuming to get in the way of their code going into production. Since this is such a fundamental point, I'm

The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-22 Thread Dave Crocker
Pete, et al, On 8/22/2013 7:22 AM, Pete Resnick wrote: So, now at the point of IETF LC, the correct thing to happen is to let folks make their objections, point them to places in the prior conversation where the WG, the chairs, the ADs, and assorted other folks became convinced, and see if

RE: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-22 Thread l.wood
LC should not be treated as a right of passage, to test the patience of folks who have developed a document. rite? Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/