On 30 aug 2010, at 02:41, Worley, Dale R (Dale) dwor...@avaya.com wrote:
So at the least, one should consider getting a tourist visa ONLY IF one has
set aside time for sightseeing before or after the meetings.
Can people please try to get a visa, speak with the Chinese consulate or
embassy
At 8:51 AM -0700 8/24/10, Dave CROCKER wrote:
Let me get this straight. You are going to go to China and you are
/not/ going to do ANY site-seeing? If the answer is yes, I think
you have deeper problems than the visa...
I disagree. I'm not planning on any sight-seeing in China. I prefer
At 5:50 PM -0700 8/27/10, Randall Gellens wrote:
I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that it depends on the primary
purpose of the visit.
...even though the first answer on the FAQ on the IETF site says otherwise?
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/79/faq.html
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At 5:50 PM -0700 8/27/10, Randall Gellens wrote:
I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that it depends on
the primary purpose of the visit.
...even though the first answer on the FAQ on the IETF site
At 8:51 AM -0700 8/24/10, Dave CROCKER wrote:
Let me get this straight. You are going to go to China and you
are /not/ going to do ANY site-seeing? If the answer is yes, I
think you have deeper problems than the visa...
I disagree. I'm not planning on any sight-seeing in China. I
On Aug 29, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
At 8:51 AM -0700 8/24/10, Dave CROCKER wrote:
Let me get this straight. You are going to go to China and you
are /not/ going to do ANY site-seeing? If the answer is yes, I
think you have deeper problems than the visa...
I
I notice that the following phrase appears twice in the IETF pages:
a tourist visa is appropriate only if you intend to spend some time either
before or after the meeting sightseeing in China
So at the least, one should consider getting a tourist visa ONLY IF one has set
aside time for
Cullen Jennings wrote:
Wow, I find this whole email thread shocking.
Given the text explanation you get of F and L visa from the embassy
web site, which Mary quoted below, I have a very hard time seeing how
anyone comes to the conclusion that L (tourist) visa is the right
visa for an IETF
John E Drake wrote:
Once you have the visa, you are done. I.e., Customs is not going to
second-guess the validity of a visa issued by the Chinese consulate.
Issuing visas is the consulate's responsibility.
That's not correct. Having a visa does not imply that you will be
allowed to enter a
On Aug 24, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
Many countries we go to attend IETF meetings would probably require
business
visa but we go there as tourists on a visa waiver program.
I don't quite understand this discussion.
On Aug 27, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Olaf Kolkman wrote:
On Aug 24, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
Many countries we go to attend IETF meetings would probably require
business
visa but we go there as tourists on a visa waiver
+1
When it comes to visas, it seems many people are expecting the
immigration officials to be liberal in what they accept. Personally,
I'd rather be conservative in what I send...
David
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Cullen Jennings flu...@cisco.com wrote:
Wow, I find this whole email
of the
registration. TOO BAD.
Regards,
Jordi
From: Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com
Reply-To: y...@checkpoint.com
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:25:49 +0300
To: jordi.pa...@consulintel.es jordi.pa...@consulintel.es
Cc: IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
On Aug 26
Dave Crocker [mailto://dcroc...@bbiw.net] writes:
On 8/24/2010 8:28 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
My question then is whether you tell them at border control that you
are
attending a meeting or whether you are there on vacation. I am
unfortunately
not a good liar ;)
Let me get this
Wow, I find this whole email thread shocking.
Given the text explanation you get of F and L visa from the embassy web site,
which Mary quoted below, I have a very hard time seeing how anyone comes to the
conclusion that L (tourist) visa is the right visa for an IETF meeting. I
believe the
is the consulate's responsibility.
Sent from my iPhone
-Original Message-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Cullen Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:50 PM
To: Mary Barnes
Cc: IETF Discussion
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from
Cc: ietf@ietf.org ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
My understanding is that the only difference in paperwork is the
letter of invitation. Is there any other additional paperwork that
is necessary? I would have thought that letters of invitation would
be something
On 8/24/2010 8:28 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
My question then is whether you tell them at border control that you are
attending a meeting or whether you are there on vacation. I am unfortunately
not a good liar ;)
Let me get this straight. You are going to go to China and you are /not/ going
Dave,
thats not what the text says... again:
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/hzqz/zgqz/t84247.htm
Updated: 23/04/2009
Business Visa (F Visa) is issued to an alien who is invited to China for a
visit, an investigation, a lecture, to do business, scientific-technological
and
--On Wednesday, August 25, 2010 07:54 -0400 Richard L. Barnes
rbar...@bbn.com wrote:
FWIW, I was required to provide such a letter for a visa to
Saudi Arabia earlier this year. So it's not without precedent.
--Richard
On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Andrew Allen wrote:
Mary
It seems
As of March, when I applied for a business visa to China, as a US
citizen, applying to the San Francisco consulate, and using an agency,
I was not allowed to submit an invitation letter, even though I had
one in hand.
What was required was a support letter from my employer, stating that
they
On 8/24/10 6:58 PM, Alexa Morris wrote:
After you register for the meeting, you have the option to request a
letter of invitation.
What is the timeframe for sending these letters of invitation? I
requested one on on August 16th, and haven't heard from Tsinghua
University yet. Are these
2010 18:24:03 -0500
To: Alexa Morris amor...@amsl.com
Cc: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com, IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
On 8/24/10 6:58 PM, Alexa Morris wrote:
After you register for the meeting, you have the option to request a
letter
.
Regards,
Behcet
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To: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 12:38:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
On 8/24/2010 8:24 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have
On Aug 26, 2010, at 4:35 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Hi Alexa, all,
In many countries, applying for a VISA different that the main purpose of
the travel to the country is illegal and could mean that you pay fines, get
deported, or even go to the jail.
In many countries, if you are
Is there a consensus that a tourist visa is sufficient to attend the
IETF from the US?
Thanks,
Andy
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The note posted suggested that if you were planning to sightsee a day or
more before or after the meeting that a tourist visa might be sufficient.
However, I prefer to err on the side of caution in this situation since it
clearly states on the chinese visa website:
*Business **Visa (F Visa) *is
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a business visa once, and
it was seriously not worth the effort.
I plan to get a tourist visa.
On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
Is there a consensus that a tourist visa is sufficient to attend the
IETF from the US?
My question then is whether you tell them at border control that you are
attending a meeting or whether you are there on vacation. I am
unfortunately not a good liar ;)
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a
On 08/24/2010 11:24 EDT, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a business visa once,
and it was seriously not worth the effort.
I plan to get a tourist visa.
Fred, what do you get asked at immigration, and what is your response?
...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Barnes
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Fred Baker
Cc: IETF Discussion
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
My question then is whether you tell them at border control that you are
attending a meeting or whether you
At 8:24 -0700 8/24/10, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a business
visa once, and it was seriously not worth the effort.
I plan to get a tourist visa.
I've done both (as a US passport holder), the difference in process
was negligible to me. (They
They don't ask, and if they did I would tell them why I was there. The business
visa is, per the Chinese Consulate, for if you plan to stay there (up to six
months) and do business.
On Aug 24, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
My question then is whether you tell them at border control
On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
On 08/24/2010 11:24 EDT, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a business visa once,
and it was seriously not worth the effort.
I plan to get a tourist visa.
Fred, what do you get asked at immigration, and
--On Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:15 -0400 Edward Lewis
ed.le...@neustar.biz wrote:
At 8:24 -0700 8/24/10, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a
business visa once, and it was seriously not worth the
effort.
I plan to get a tourist visa.
I've done
On 8/24/2010 8:24 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a business visa once,
and it was seriously not worth the effort.
I plan to get a tourist visa.
Except that now the PRC is looking at the purpose of your trip and that
is to develop intellectual
I assume you are talking about China.
The host recommended a Tourist visa.
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Andrew
.
Regards,
Behcet
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From: todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net
To: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 12:38:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
On 8/24/2010 8:24 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten
On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
Many countries we go to attend IETF meetings would probably require
business
visa but we go there as tourists on a visa waiver program.
I don't quite understand this discussion. Why not ask
the host what they recommend?
Melinda
On Aug 24, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
Many countries we go to attend IETF meetings would probably require
business
visa but we go there as tourists on a visa waiver program.
I don't quite understand this discussion. Why
At 4:58 PM -0400 8/24/10, Ray Pelletier wrote:
On Aug 24, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
Many countries we go to attend IETF meetings would probably require
business
visa but we go there as tourists on a visa waiver program.
I
If we do not plan on doing any sightseeing or don't have any specific plans
ahead of time, what is the process for requesting a letter of invitation
from the host? I'm slightly perplexed that an attendee wanting such seems
to be an odd request, when the information on the Chinese websites states
or business visa from US?
On 8/24/2010 8:24 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a business visa
once,
and it was seriously not worth the effort.
I plan to get a tourist visa.
Except that now the PRC is looking at the purpose of your trip
the purpose is business but US customs
never
asks why you did not get a business visa.
Regards,
Behcet
- Original Message
From: todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net
To: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 12:38:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa
To: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 12:38:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
On 8/24/2010 8:24 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a business
visa
once,
and it was seriously not worth the effort
never
asks why you did not get a business visa.
Regards,
Behcet
- Original Message
From: todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net
To: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 12:38:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US
customs never
asks why you did not get a business visa.
Regards,
Behcet
- Original Message
From: todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net
To: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 12:38:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
On 8/24/2010 8:24 AM, Fred Baker
For US passport holders again, the instructions for applying:
Tourist Visa (L Visa)
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/hzqz/zgqz/t84246.htm
Business (F) Visa
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/hzqz/zgqz/t84247.htm
At 17:56 -0500 8/24/10, Mary Barnes wrote:
My understanding is that the only
I would note that the Chinese entry from (that you have to hand over to
Immigration along with your visa and passport) specifically has a single
box labelled business/conference, which is clearly the applicable box
for attending the IETF.
Yours,
Joel
On Tue, August 24, 2010 7:09 pm, Edward Lewis
Except if you have a tourist visa.
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
Cisco Systems
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E-mail: o...@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
I would note that the
: todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net
To: ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 12:38:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
On 8/24/2010 8:24 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
In the many times I have visited China, I have gotten a
business
visa
once,
and it was seriously not worth
--On Tuesday, August 24, 2010 16:04 -0700 bill manning
bmann...@isi.edu wrote:
...
5.Visa Notifications Form from an authorized Chinese Unit,
or invitation letters from the host company, meeting or
exhibition organizers in China, or an introduction letter from
applicant's US company, etc.
[mailto:mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 06:56 PM
To: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com
Cc: ietf@ietf.org ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Tourist or business visa from US?
My understanding is that the only difference in paperwork is the letter of
invitation. Is there any other
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