Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-05 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, July 01, 2005 11:32:41 AM +0200 Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this too is a change; if the people writing the IANA considerations section had desired public review of requests, they would presumably have used IETF consensus as the registration criteria; to

Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-02 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Perhaps things have settled down sufficiently for me to express an opinion... I am not an IANA weenie. But I think registries should register things. We have a decent amount of running code (for example, http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg35953.html) that says our

Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-02 Thread Ned Freed
Perhaps things have settled down sufficiently for me to express an opinion... I am not an IANA weenie. But I think registries should register things. We have a decent amount of running code (for example, http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg35953.html) that says our

draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-01 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
You won't get your silence, Spencer, but thanks for trying! I've now scanned the document, and I have found a number of points I disagree with; most of them have to do with the crispness of the criteria proposed. I think the debate we're having is a good one - it's one of those conflicts

Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:32:41 +0200 From:Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have yet to read John's draft, but there's one comment that you made that I want to comment on. | Summary: I think the document offers very good

Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-01 Thread Keith McCloghrie
I agreed with almost all of your arguments on this topic, until this: As far as history goes, and the OID tree - do remember that the OID tree has vendor space, in which anyone can trivially register anything. Once there, the OID is just as good as any other OID. The Vendor space gets used

Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-01 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On fredag, juli 01, 2005 19:11:34 +0700 Robert Elz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IETF may have tried to control MIB contents using registration control, but at that it failed miserably. That isn't surprising, it is a tool not suited to the task. quick reply not the only thing I

Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-01 Thread Bob Braden
Some participants in this discussion have contributed WAY too many times. One result is that their arguments waver between repetitive and nonsensical. Bob Braden ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Fri, 1 Jul 2005 06:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From:Keith McCloghrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | On the contrary, having vendor OID space has been a tremendous success. OK, I didn't mean what I said in the way you clearly interpreted it. I

Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering)

2005-07-01 Thread David Hopwood
Robert Elz wrote: That one may be appropriate here. That is, I certainly believe that 2434 means verify the documentation is adequate just as John's draft is apparently proposing. That is, for me, not a change at all. I certainly would never have ignored a proposal to register trivial

Re: draft-klensin-iana-reg-policy (Re: S stands for Steering) [correction]

2005-07-01 Thread David Hopwood
David Hopwood wrote: Robert Elz wrote: That one may be appropriate here. That is, I certainly believe that 2434 means verify the documentation is adequate just as John's draft is apparently proposing. That is, for me, not a change at all. I certainly would never have ignored a proposal to