Re: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-03 Thread Michael Richardson
Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: While I think that individual submissions that are not the result of consensus do not belong on a WG page. Where do they belong? I prefer that they belong under the Area page, but is there an area page, not sure why was

Re: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-03 Thread Spencer Dawkins
On 10/2/2013 9:15 AM, Scott O Bradner wrote: 1 April RFCs excepted Ah. I'm sitting here banging my head on a desk thinking I knew that ... thanks, Scott! Spencer

Re: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-02 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Michael, I agree that it should appear in related WG's field or area. I see in IETF we have WGs documents list but not areas' documents list, so the individual document may not be found or discovered. I think any document of IETF should be listed in its field area or related charter, but it

RE: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-02 Thread John E Drake
Irrepressible Yours Irrespectively, John From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Abdussalam Baryun Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:19 AM To: Michael Richardson Cc: ietf; tools-disc...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update

RE: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-02 Thread l.wood
:18 To: Michael Richardson Cc: ietf; tools-disc...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker Hi Michael, I agree that it should appear in related WG's field or area. I see in IETF we have WGs documents list but not areas

Re: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-02 Thread Scott O Bradner
1 April RFCs excepted Scott On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org wrote: because all IETF document are examined by IESG No they're not. See RFC4844. Lloyd, it *is* true that all documents in the IETF stream are reviewed and approved by the IESG. I would take

Re: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-02 Thread Barry Leiba
because all IETF document are examined by IESG No they're not. See RFC4844. Lloyd, it *is* true that all documents in the IETF stream are reviewed and approved by the IESG. I would take IETF documents to refer to documents in the IETF stream. (In fact, documents in the IRTF and Independent

RE: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-02 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
While I think that individual submissions that are not the result of consensus do not belong on a WG page. Where do they belong? I prefer that they belong under the Area page, but is there an area page, not sure why was that not a good idea. But, if the document was the result of consensus,

independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-01 Thread Michael Richardson
This morning I had reason to re-read parts of RFC3777, and anything that updated it. I find the datatracker WG interface to really be useful, and so I visited http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nomcom/ first. I guess I could have instead gone to: http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3777 but

RE: independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-01 Thread Adrian Farrel
@ietf.org; tools-disc...@ietf.org Subject: independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker This morning I had reason to re-read parts of RFC3777, and anything that updated it. I find the datatracker WG interface to really be useful, and so I visited http

Re: independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-01 Thread Brian E Carpenter
-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson Sent: 01 October 2013 19:29 To: ietf@ietf.org; tools-disc...@ietf.org Subject: independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker This morning I had reason to re-read parts of RFC3777

Re: independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-01 Thread Yoav Nir
On Oct 1, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca wrote: This morning I had reason to re-read parts of RFC3777, and anything that updated it. I find the datatracker WG interface to really be useful, and so I visited http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nomcom/ first. I guess

Re: independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-01 Thread Michael Richardson
Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: The place to go is definitely not the page for a closed WG. How can that be expected to track things that happened after the WG closed? Since it's a BCP, you get the lot at http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp10 or

Re: independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-01 Thread Michael Richardson
I note that neither: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nomcom/ nor: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/search/?name=nomcomrfcs=onsort= told me that 3777 was also BCP10 now. (Even if 3777 wasn't BCP10 anymore, I think it would be useful for the datatracker to tell me that it was part of BCP10,