Re: (ietf54-noc 1798) why we had wireless problems at IETF

2002-07-18 Thread John Stracke
Atsushi Onoe wrote: We should expect AP vender to update their software to handle IETF meeting and other such congested wireless terminal environment, if any... I suppose it's possible that there are no other environments as congested as the IETF...but the 802.11x vendors need to hope that

why we had wireless problems at IETF

2002-07-17 Thread ggm
A couple of general questions about 802.11 at IETF in Japan 1) is there some aspect of the telecommunications/regulations here in Japan restricting the number of channels for RF use which affected the problem? Did it help or hinder? -This is a 'cannot fix' problem

Re: why we had wireless problems at IETF

2002-07-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of general questions about 802.11 at IETF in Japan 1)is there some aspect of the telecommunications/regulations here in Japan restricting the number of channels for RF use which affected the problem? Did it help or

Re: why we had wireless problems at IETF

2002-07-17 Thread Carsten Bormann
Japan can use all 14 WiFi channels (World/ETSI can use 13, US/FCC 11). The IETF network was restricted to the US 11 channels, obviously so that users of US cards would not be left cold. On Monday, and for some time on Wednesday, there were problems with overlapping channels. In WiFi, channel

Re: (ietf54-noc 1798) why we had wireless problems at IETF

2002-07-17 Thread Atsushi Onoe
A couple of general questions about 802.11 at IETF in Japan I think problems are not specific in Japan but may be specific in IETF. There are only 3 non-overlapping channel (e.g. 1-6-11) in 802.11b. Actually there is another channel (14) which almost non-overlapping to channel 11. We enabled

Re: (ietf54-noc 1803) Re: why we had wireless problems at IETF

2002-07-17 Thread Atsushi Onoe
On Monday, and for some time on Wednesday, there were problems with overlapping channels. Sometimes we intentionally use overlapping channel configuration. Basically, overlapping channel reduced performance, but the connectivity should still remain. But the number of connected stations per

Re: (ietf54-noc 1802) Re: why we had wireless problems at IETF

2002-07-17 Thread itojun
you need to do some engineering in order to make is such that the ap's sitting on the same channels can't hear to much of each other. noise is the biggest killer here because it results in more retransmissions which results in deeper buffers on the ap's which results in more retramismission

Re: why we had wireless problems at IETF

2002-07-17 Thread ggm
actually japan has four non-overlapping channels 802.11 channel 1 6 11 14 whereas the US has only three because their 2.4ghz ism band goes from 2.4-2.5 and ours goes from 2.4-2.483. some commonwealth countries have more stringent output regulations than the US or JP but that's not an

Re: (ietf54-noc 1802) Re: why we had wireless problems at IETF

2002-07-17 Thread ggm
the accompaning issues is more than 60-100 clients per ap (and ~200=death) really results in reduced performance as well, particulallry if most of them are active so more ap's can result in better localized performance, assuming you get a handle on the rf issue. maybe at IETF55,