Re: The IETF Mission [Re: Summary status of change efforts - Updated Web page]

2004-01-18 Thread Pekka Savola
Hi, On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Fred Baker wrote: At 04:26 AM 1/17/2004, Pekka Savola wrote: The purpose of the IETF is to create high quality, relevant, and timely standards for the Internet. I think I would state it in these words: The Internet Engineering Task Force provides a forum for

Re: The IETF Mission [Re: Summary status of change efforts - UpdatedWeb page]

2004-01-18 Thread Pekka Savola
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, grenville armitage wrote: I'm not sure I see the ambiguities you assert. I think this is because you use the narrow interpretation (e.g., the actual network deployment) of the terms -- which is fine. My problem with that, though, is that people can have a broad

RE: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Christian Huitema
Yes. So let's consciously endeavor to ensure that sigificant non-standards documents -- responsible position papers, white papers, new ideas, etc. -- become RFCs. (Making Internet Drafts into an archival series seems like a terrible idea to me, but that is a different topic.) I could not

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 18-jan-04, at 19:39, Bob Braden wrote: So let's consciously endeavor to ensure that sigificant non-standards documents -- responsible position papers, white papers, new ideas, etc. -- become RFCs. Sigh. Even more RFCs. Pretty soon we're going to need a 32-bit RFC number space. (Making

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:39:51 PST, Bob Braden said: Yes. So let's consciously endeavor to ensure that sigificant non-standards documents -- responsible position papers, white papers, new ideas, etc. -- become RFCs. (Making Internet Drafts into an archival series seems like a terrible idea to

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread grenville armitage
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: [..] Actually it's pretty much the same topic, as there needs to be a way to preserve drafts that are important in some way or another. If it is important, it'll progress the work of some group in the IETF and be archived as an RFC. If it (the I-D) doesn't

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 18-jan-04, at 23:17, grenville armitage wrote: Actually it's pretty much the same topic, as there needs to be a way to preserve drafts that are important in some way or another. If it is important, it'll progress the work of some group in the IETF and be archived as an RFC. Really. What's

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread grenville armitage
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 18-jan-04, at 23:17, grenville armitage wrote: [.] If it is important, it'll progress the work of some group in the IETF and be archived as an RFC. Really. What's the number for the GSE RFC again? Even current work such as

Re: The IETF Mission [Re: Summary status of change efforts - Updated Web page]

2004-01-18 Thread jfcm
At 00:24 18/01/04, Fred Baker wrote: But it originates with a very real and very damaging operational problem, that of BSD 4.1's predilection to TCP Silly Window Syndrome and an operator's desire to minimize the impact of that on competing data traffic. Dear Fred, thank you for your inputs. You

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2004-01-18 Thread jstracke
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Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Eliot Lear
Bob, I agree that many works of great value can be found in early RFCs. But here's my question to you: if the focus is too much on standards, how do we scale the process so that we can have great works that are NOT standards? Clearly neither the IESG nor the IETF need be involved in that

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Paul Vixie
... Another way of looking at this would be to create some sort of refereed track. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (who shall govern the referees?) note that for a long time, peter salus begged the Computing Systems readership for articles, and usenix ultimately closed it down due to lack of

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Spencer Dawkins
- Original Message - From: grenville armitage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:17 PM Subject: Re: The IETF Mission Is the standard for Informational currently that onerous? I'm curious what the average time-to-publish from first

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 04:13:48 GMT, Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: independent (non-series) document, then havn't we achieved gutenberg's goal, doesn't everybody have their own printing press, and can't we either choose an existing refereed forum for non-standards work, or just self-publish