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From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 22:16
To: Fred Baker; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: AdminRest: Finances and Accounting
Thanks for the followup, Fred!
I think the
Scott, w.r.t. your rcomments on IASA Funding section.
I will be doing a separate posting with some questions,
but wanted to try and respond to your specific comments first,
see below.
section 5
I'm not that sure that this document should be so specific as to say
that the IAOC has a separate
On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 14:53 -0800, Michel Py wrote:
Jeroen Massar wrote:
What if you want to do VoIP from _multiple_
computers or even real VoIP phones.
This has never been an issue in the enterprise.
Indeed not if they are keeping the traffic local or using a proxy.
Then you don't have
For somebody administering a network of 100 machines, the hassle cost of
IP renumbering would be twenty times larger. Given this, how could
anyone wonder why NAT is popular?
Wrong. If you administer 100's or 1000s of machines you build or buy
a system for doing address management. Renumbering is
In draft-ietf-iasa-bcp-00.txt it states at the end of sect 3.1:
Unless explicitly delegated with the consent of the IAOC, the IAD
will also fill the role of the IETF Executive Director, as described
in various IETF process BCPs.
We currently have (in our working version of the IASA
Brian, nobody followed up on this remark of yours yet:
OTOH if ISOC received an unexpected donation for IETF purposes, that
should be transferred promptly - does this need to be stated
somewhere?
I would assume, that if such a donations was indeed for IETF purposes
that it would then be
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There is an obvious question that at least for me drives the answer to
whther the IAD is the IETF Executive Director.
As currently practiced / defined, is the IETF Executive Director a full
time job?
If it is a full time job, then clearly it should not be combined with the
IAD. THis implies
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section 5.2
why not just say that the ISOC should not accept any in-kind donations
for the IETF without the prior OK of the IAD/IAOC?
Is that just a matter of wording/clarity?
no - I do not think its a matter of wording - the way its currently
worded the ISOC could accept anything it
Bert asks:
- should we (IETF) indeed have/request an IASA specific bank account
for collecting meeting fees?
- should we (IETF) indeed have/request an IASA specific bank account
for depositing designated monetary donations?
- should we (IETF) indeed have/request an IASA specific
Bert further asks:
The IETF Administrative Director (IAD) is not the same function
as the IETF Executive Director. The IESG shall select an IETF
Executive Director (as defined in xxx, we need to fill out xxx).
Does the IETF community can agree with that?
I agree that the IAD and
bert goes on to ask
OTOH if ISOC received an unexpected donation for IETF purposes, that
should be transferred promptly - does this need to be stated
somewhere?
I would assume, that if such a donations was indeed for IETF purposes
that it would then be earmarked as such or be a
There is an obvious question that at least for me drives the answer to
whther the IAD is the IETF Executive Director.
As currently practiced / defined, is the IETF Executive Director a full
time job?
Scott Bradner could probably answer more definitively, but I believe
our process
Bert goes on:
So how about inserting a section 5.1 (shifting the others
by 1) with text as follows (first draft):
5.1 Principles
The following sections on specific funding sources, expenses
and reserve funds are based on these IETF and ISOC agreed to
principles:
1. The goal
Scott Bradner could probably answer more definitively, but I believe
our process documents and other RFCs refer to a role, not a job.
agree
My own opinion (ymmv) is leave the text as is and strike the editorial
disagree - I'd just strike the text as well - as you said - why tie hands
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Scott,
as I just posted in response to a different posting from Bert
I think these are not the right questions - that these questions are
being asked is a symptom to me that the document (and maybe the IETF)
is not yet clear on the principals we want to have agreed to for
going forward - I
Carl == Carl Malamud [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Carl It seems to me that one of the goals of the whole AdminRest
Carl exercise has been to move overall management responsibility
Carl for IETF admin. and support activities (IASA) from
Carl contractors to a program manager, which
This is a quite understandable goal. But I am not sure that as stated it
can be met.
Let us assume that some of the activities that the IAD is responsible for
contracting includes the Executive Director function. (I have difficulty
seeing it as a separate contract on its own.)
It is the IAD's
That seems simple enough when put that way ... then leave the executive director
totally out of this BCP or specify that the IESG names that person. No need to
pussy-foot around the issue. :)
Carl
Carl == Carl Malamud [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Carl It seems to me that one of the
Peter Ford wrote:
I do vehemently agree with your last paragraph. In some
sense, you are saying that NAT is an intrinsic part of the
nominal residential gateway (could be expanded for soho
and small/medium business).
Eric S. Raymond wrote
Indeed. I think this is true.
There is nothing
John == John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Bert, _Far_ too much detail. See earlier note about the
John bank account material. I suspect that I speak for many
John members of the community when I say that I want to get this
John admin stuff fixed, and fixed as
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:16:58 EST, Sam Hartman said:
Personally, I do believe that stating some details would help me
evaluate whether IASA is seperable and would require the IETF's
consent in order to change the details. I do think that requiring
IASA keep separate bank accounts is probably
Could someone please remove this clown from the ietf list, or else update
the mailing list's filters, so that his broken email agent doesn't keep
bothering us with this garbage?
Ross.
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:33:54 +0100, JFC (Jefsey) Morfin said:
But why to spend time and money and to take risks to change something which
is not broken. IPv6 has no problem in keeping the same host numbers if the
used addressing plan uses a numbering scheme designed with that purpose in
Harald == Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Harald Quoting from section 3:
The IASA will initially consist of a single full-time ISOC
employee, the IETF Administrative Director (IAD), who will be
an officer entitled to act on behalf of the IASA at the
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