draft-ietf-ltru-4645bis-10.txt issue with preferred value for YU

2009-03-02 Thread Tex Texin
With respect to the proposed update to the Language Subtag Registry draft-ietf-ltru-4645bis-10: I would like to lodge an objection to the deletion of the Preferred-Value for language subtag YU. This change breaks the equivalence class relation between YU and CS. It detrimentally changes

Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
I believe this to be on-topic for this list based on the summary of on-topic subjects. However I don't see any similar subjects recently, so apologies if there is a batter place, and a pointer to it would be appreciated. I have had it confirmed by the secretariat that the terminal room at IETF

Identity Services Beyond Web SSO (was RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07)

2009-03-02 Thread Josh Howlett
Hi Hannes, Hans wrote: Josh wrote: Hans wrote: Josh wrote: I have a long list of applications, collected from within this community, with which they would like to use SAML-based authorisation; Interesting. Any interest to share it with us? I'm in the process of trying

New IETF Journal available now (Volume 4, Issue 3)

2009-03-02 Thread Mirjam Kuehne
[Apologies for duplicate emails] Hello, The new issue of the IETF Journal - Volume 4, Issue 3 - is now available at http://ietfjournal.isoc.org You can read this publication online or choose to download the full issue in PDF format. You can also keep up to date with the latest issue of the IETF

Re: Internet Society joins Liberty Alliance Management Board: Why?

2009-03-02 Thread Olaf Kolkman
On 1 mrt 2009, at 23:49, Lynn St.Amour wrote: PS. Re: your side note below on the makeup of the ISOC Board, we'll update the list to show the community or mechanism that appoints/ elects Trustees. In the meantime, the IETF appoints 3 Trustees (out of 13, 12 voting and me non-voting).

RE: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
Does this help? http://www.bayarealaptops.com/ -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of Dearlove, Christopher (UK) Sent: Mon 3/2/2009 5:04 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Terminal room at IETF74 I believe this to be on-topic for this list based on the summary of

Re: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread Richard Barnes
Chris, At recent IETFs, I've found it helpful to have a couple of machines in the terminal room. Having machines that are pre-configured saved me the time of setting up my machine to work with the printers when I just wanted to quickly print out a draft during a break. So it might be

Re: Comments requested on recent appeal to the IESG

2009-03-02 Thread Douglas Otis
On Feb 28, 2009, at 4:14 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: Douglas Otis wrote: The safety of an assumption about an authorizing domain originating a message depends upon the reputation of the SMTP client for its protection of the PRA and Mail From. Unfortunately, identifiers for the SMTP

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread SM
At 20:21 01-03-2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: As this draft is being considered as a Proposed Standard, will it be authoritative instead of RFC 5821/5322? This presumes that there are different semantics or syntax offered by them. I'm replying to this point separately so that it does not get

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread Dave CROCKER
For the content that overlaps in RFC5322 and RFC5321, which one is authoritative? d/ SM wrote: At 20:21 01-03-2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: As this draft is being considered as a Proposed Standard, will it be authoritative instead of RFC 5821/5322? This presumes that there are different

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon Mar 2 15:49:09 2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: For the content that overlaps in RFC5322 and RFC5321, which one is authoritative? Whichever is cited by the document referencing the content, of course. Alternately, we could have a public food fight between Klensin, Resnick, and Crocker.

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread Dave CROCKER
Dave Cridland wrote: On Mon Mar 2 15:49:09 2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: For the content that overlaps in RFC5322 and RFC5321, which one is authoritative? Whichever is cited by the document referencing the content, of course. That sounds pretty unstable, since it produces context-dependent

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread SM
At 20:21 01-03-2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: What inconsistencies are you seeing, specifically, so we can fix them. email-arch Section 2.2.2 The Relay performs MHS-level transfer-service routing and store-and- forward, by transmitting or retransmitting the message to its Recipients. The

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread ned+ietf
At 20:21 01-03-2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: What inconsistencies are you seeing, specifically, so we can fix them. email-arch Section 2.2.2 The Relay performs MHS-level transfer-service routing and store-and- forward, by transmitting or retransmitting the message to its Recipients.

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread Eliot Lear
Maybe Dave you should add an Updates tag to your draft? Eliot On 3/2/09 5:26 PM, ned+i...@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: At 20:21 01-03-2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: What inconsistencies are you seeing, specifically, so we can fix them. email-arch Section 2.2.2 The Relay performs MHS-level

RE: draft-ietf-ltru-4645bis-10.txt issue with preferred value for YU

2009-03-02 Thread Phillips, Addison
- archive/web/ietf/attachments/20090302/28633679/attachment.sig -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:05:18 -0800 From: Tex Texin texte...@xencraft.com Subject: draft-ietf-ltru-4645bis-10.txt issue with preferred value for YU To: l...@ietf.org, ietf

Re: [Ltru] draft-ietf-ltru-4645bis-10.txt issue with preferred valuefor YU

2009-03-02 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: Tex Texin texte...@xencraft.com To: l...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:05 AM Subject: [Ltru] draft-ietf-ltru-4645bis-10.txt issue with preferred valuefor YU With respect to the proposed update to the Language Subtag Registry

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread Hector Santos
ned+ietf-s...@mrochek.com wrote: At 20:21 01-03-2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: What inconsistencies are you seeing, specifically, so we can fix them. email-arch Section 2.2.2 The Relay performs MHS-level transfer-service routing and store-and- forward, by transmitting or retransmitting

draft-p2pi-cooper-workshop-report

2009-03-02 Thread Vijay K. Gurbani
For the record, as a participant of the MIT/IETF P2Pi May 2008 workshop, I believe that draft-p2pi-cooper-workshop-report is an accurate reflection of the happenings at the said workshop. Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. Gurbani, Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent 1960 Lucent Lane, Rm. 9C-533,

Re: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, March 02, 2009 10:04 + Dearlove, Christopher (UK) chris.dearl...@baesystems.com wrote: ... I have had it confirmed by the secretariat that the terminal room at IETF 74 will not contain any machines, presumably just network connections. ... But now, if I come to IETF74, I

Re: Internet Society joins Liberty Alliance Management Board: Why?

2009-03-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Hannes, Two mostly rhetorical questions... Hannes Tschofenig wrote: As you might have noticed, the WebSSO Identity Management space is not running out of organizations and groups. Someone could, for example, come up with the question why ISOC did not join the MIT Kerberos Consortium (see

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon Mar 2 16:05:16 2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: Dave Cridland wrote: On Mon Mar 2 15:49:09 2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: For the content that overlaps in RFC5322 and RFC5321, which one is authoritative? Whichever is cited by the document referencing the content, of course. That sounds

RE: Internet Society joins Liberty Alliance Management Board: Why?

2009-03-02 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Joel, Hannes, Two mostly rhetorical questions... Hannes Tschofenig wrote: As you might have noticed, the WebSSO Identity Management space is not running out of organizations and groups. Someone could, for example, come up with the question why ISOC did not join the MIT Kerberos

Re: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: But now, if I come to IETF74, I won't have a laptop with me. Corporate policy, based on recent US legal decisions, is that I may not take a laptop (or PDA etc.) into the USA. This is not subject to modification. Obviously even a machine in the terminal room

Re: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:16:19 -0500 John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: This should go on ISOC's list of things to whine to the new US administration about, along with visa request rejections because attending the IETF isn't a good enough reason. It's not just the US; other governments --

Re: Internet Society joins Liberty Alliance Management Board: Why?

2009-03-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Hi Joel, Hannes, Two mostly rhetorical questions... Hannes Tschofenig wrote: As you might have noticed, the WebSSO Identity Management space is not running out of organizations and groups. Someone could, for example, come up with the question why ISOC did

RE: Internet Society joins Liberty Alliance Management Board: Why?

2009-03-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 9:35 PM +0200 3/2/09, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: I find it somewhat interesting that we would perceive the ISOC as being responsible to the IETF in this regard. Responsible is not the right term. A bit better synchronized would be nice. ISOC has multiple staff members at every IETF, and those

Re: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread Alexa Morris
Christopher, Actually, the Terminal Room will have two laptops set up for attendee use; these are traditionally used primarily for printing (boarding passes, etc) but are available for other uses as well. Regards, Alexa On Mar 2, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: I

Re: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread Dave CROCKER
Richard Barnes wrote: Chris, At recent IETFs, I've found it helpful to have a couple of machines in the terminal room. Having machines that are pre-configured saved me the time of setting up my machine to work with the printers when I just wanted to quickly print out a draft during a

Re: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Dave CROCKER wrote: It looks like the cost ranges between US$125 and US$200 for one week's rental. At the san francisco bestbuy, $299 + 8.5% ca sales tax buys your choice of blue pink white copper or black acer asus dell hp or msi netbooks...

Re: Last Call: draft-crocker-email-arch (Internet Mail Architecture) to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread SM
At 07:49 02-03-2009, Dave CROCKER wrote: For the content that overlaps in RFC5322 and RFC5321, which one is authoritative? There are several possible answers: 1. The author of the draft chooses the email-arch draft 2. The author of the draft chooses RFC 5321 and RFC 5332 3. Have the

Re: draft-ietf-ltru-4645bis-10.txt issue with preferred value for YU

2009-03-02 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: Phillips, Addison addi...@amazon.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:49 AM Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ltru-4645bis-10.txt issue with preferred value for YU Hi Tex, I don't think this is probably appropriate, at least for this list to consider. Tex's posting

Re: ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization)

2009-03-02 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2009-03-01 15:39, George Michaelson wrote: write your auth number down. Or print the Authorization Approved page, since the auth number is 16 alphanumerics and a mistake would be easy. Brian once you complete an app, the number is valid for 2+ years with modifications to travel plans

Protocol Action: 'Support for Reduced-Size RTCP, Opportunities and Consequences' to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Support for Reduced-Size RTCP, Opportunities and Consequences ' draft-ietf-avt-rtcp-non-compound-09.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Cullen

Protocol Action: 'Conference Event Package Data Format Extension for Centralized Conferencing (XCON)' to Proposed Standard

2009-03-02 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Conference Event Package Data Format Extension for Centralized Conferencing (XCON) ' draft-ietf-xcon-event-package-01.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Centralized Conferencing Working Group. The IESG contact

Last Call: draft-ietf-avt-seed-srtp (The SEED Cipher Algorithm and Its Use with the Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP))

2009-03-02 Thread The IESG
to Proposed Standard Reply-to: i...@ietf.org CC: a...@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Audio/Video Transport WG (avt) to consider the following document: - 'The SEED Cipher Algorithm and Its Use with the Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP) '

74th IETF - Agenda

2009-03-02 Thread IETF Agenda
74th IETF Meeting - San Francisco, CA March 22-27, 2009 Host: Juniper Networks While this is considered the final agenda for printing, changes may happen to the agenda up until and during the meeting. Updates to the agenda will be reflected on the web version of the agenda. This final agenda has