RE: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Tony Finch
Murray S. Kucherawy m...@cloudmark.com wrote: I looked at least at the titles of all the documents that update 1035, and none of them appear to be related to the above. So where should we be looking? The only thing I have found that implies NOTIMP doesn't apply to queries for unknown RR

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Tony Finch
Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: Btw. the updates metadata on rfc1035 looks like a big mess to me. Expecting *anyone* to read all of the documents and merge them in their heads while implementing is completely unrealistic. http://blog.nominet.org.uk/tech/2010/05/24/436/ - DNS RFC dependency

Re: [lisp] WG Review: Recharter of Locator/ID Separation Protocol (lisp)

2012-03-08 Thread Jari Arkko
Thanks for your feedback, John. Would a modified charter with these changes work for you: Jari Locator/ID Separation Protocol (lisp) - Current Status: Active Last updated: 2012-03-08 Chairs: Joel Halpern j...@joelhalpern.com Terry Manderson

RE: [OAUTH-WG] Last Call: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt (The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-08 Thread Eran Hammer
New text: The probability of an attacker guessing generated tokens (and other credentials not intended for handling by end-users) MUST be less than or equal to 2^(-128) and SHOULD be less than or equal to 2^(-160). Removed reference to RFC 1750. EH

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Last Call: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt (The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-08 Thread John Bradley
Thanks that is better. Without knowing the lifetime of the token these are per guess probabilities. Effectively 128bits for a random value and 256bits for a HMAC or other signature. For tokens intended for handling by end-users it may be useful to give some advice. In general you don't want an

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-03.txt (Deprecating Use of the X- Prefix in Application Protocols) to Best Current Practice

2012-03-08 Thread John C Klensin
Hi. I realize I'm probably in the minority on this, but I think the document overstates its case a bit and, perhaps recognizing the actual complexity of the situation, even may contradict itself a bit. For example, I note that it says: (Section 1) Therefore this document deprecates the

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Martin Rex
Tony Finch wrote: Murray S. Kucherawy m...@cloudmark.com wrote: I looked at least at the titles of all the documents that update 1035, and none of them appear to be related to the above. So where should we be looking? The only thing I have found that implies NOTIMP doesn't apply to

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Martin Rex
Martin Rex wrote: Tony Finch wrote: Murray S. Kucherawy m...@cloudmark.com wrote: I looked at least at the titles of all the documents that update 1035, and none of them appear to be related to the above. So where should we be looking? The only thing I have found that

Re: [lisp] WG Review: Recharter of Locator/ID Separation Protocol (lisp)

2012-03-08 Thread Jari Arkko
I hear what you are saying. But I think the opinion in the IESG at least was, however, that those three really are high priority, and that other documents before them are not so useful before they are completed. I guess it is a different perspective, whether you do things top-down or

Re: [lisp] WG Review: Recharter of Locator/ID Separation Protocol (lisp)

2012-03-08 Thread Barry Leiba
But it's not clear to me that these (especially architecture and impacts) can be said to have been properly analyzed until some of the lower-priority items (I'm thinking of threats, cache, ETR sync) have been fleshed out. I hear what you are saying. But I think the opinion in the IESG at

Re: Add a link to the HTML version in i-d-announce mails ?

2012-03-08 Thread Martin Rex
The id-announce mails are defective. I thought the proposal was to ADD a URL to the HTML/tools or datatracker versions of the I-D, rather than remove the URL to the versioned TXT file. While Barry Leibas suggested Greasemonkey script curiously fixes the 404 error created by the recent change to

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 201203081845.q28ijgf0006...@fs4113.wdf.sap.corp, Martin Rex writes : Tony Finch wrote: Murray S. Kucherawy m...@cloudmark.com wrote: I looked at least at the titles of all the documents that update 1035, and none of them appear to be related to the above. So where

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Martin Rex
Mark Andrews wrote: Martin Rex writes: Thanks for mentioning rfc 4074. The stuff in that document matches the thoroughly broken behaviour of the IPv6 DNS resolver client of Windows 2003 that I had encountered just recently. IMO, rfc4074 exhibits a significant amount of

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Martin Rex
Martin Rex wrote: So if the behaviour (how to exactly respond to queries for unknown QTYPEs) is neither explicitly specified, nor likely have been part of the usual/common interop tests performed by the vendor, what you're left with might be ureflecteduntested guessing on part of the

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Martin Rex
Sorry, s/some 3-4 conditions/some 3-4 dozen conditions/ Martin Rex wrote: Martin Rex wrote: So if the behaviour (how to exactly respond to queries for unknown QTYPEs) is neither explicitly specified, nor likely have been part of the usual/common interop tests performed by the vendor,

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 201203082359.q28nxpwu027...@fs4113.wdf.sap.corp, Martin Rex writes : Mark Andrews wrote: Martin Rex writes: Thanks for mentioning rfc 4074. The stuff in that document matches the thoroughly broken behaviour of the IPv6 DNS resolver client of Windows 2003 that I had

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 201203090107.q2917cth001...@fs4113.wdf.sap.corp, Martin Rex writes : Martin Rex wrote: So if the behaviour (how to exactly respond to queries for unknown QTYPEs) is neither explicitly specified, nor likely have been part of the usual/common interop tests performed by the

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Martin Rex
Mark Andrews wrote: The incredibly huge base that returned NOERROR to type 28 queries when was defined. Almost all of the offending boxes were designed after was defined. When was defined is marginally relevant. Since IPv6 was designed as a completely seperate universe, it

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 201203090223.q292nazs005...@fs4113.wdf.sap.corp, Martin Rex writes : Mark Andrews wrote: The incredibly huge base that returned NOERROR to type 28 queries when was defined. Almost all of the offending boxes were designed after was defined. When was

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Hector
Mark Andrews wrote: What should a _new_ recursive non-authoritative server send as response back to the stub resolver when it encounters a NOTIMP response from the authoritative server for an query? Well the server should try the next server for the zone. If all of them return NOTIMP,

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Martin Rex
Mark Andrews wrote: not permitted would require a must not, but I only see a should not here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1035#section-5.2 RFC 1035 pre-dates the formalisation of MUST NOT/SHOULD NOT etc. 5.2. Use of master files to define zones When a master file is used to

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2012-03-08 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 201203090422.q294mra2012...@fs4113.wdf.sap.corp, Martin Rex writes : Mark Andrews wrote: not permitted would require a must not, but I only see a should not here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1035#section-5.2 RFC 1035 pre-dates the formalisation of MUST

Document Action: 'Generic Connection Admission Control (GCAC) Algorithm Specification for IP/MPLS Networks' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-gcac-algorithm-spec-04.txt)

2012-03-08 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Generic Connection Admission Control (GCAC) Algorithm Specification for IP/MPLS Networks' (draft-ash-gcac-algorithm-spec-04.txt) as an Experimental RFC This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working

Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-nat64-learn-analysis-03.txt (Analysis of solution proposals for hosts to learn NAT64 prefix) to Informational RFC

2012-03-08 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance WG (behave) to consider the following document: - 'Analysis of solution proposals for hosts to learn NAT64 prefix' draft-ietf-behave-nat64-learn-analysis-03.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make

Document Action: 'LISP Map Server Interface' to Experimental RFC (draft-ietf-lisp-ms-16.txt)

2012-03-08 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'LISP Map Server Interface' (draft-ietf-lisp-ms-16.txt) as an Experimental RFC This document is the product of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Jari Arkko and Ralph Droms. A URL of this Internet

Planned Freeze of rfc-editor.org http://rfc-editor.org/

2012-03-08 Thread RFC Editor
Greetings All, Please note there will be a freeze on March 13-14 for information at rfc-editor.org http://rfc-editor.org/ that is generated from the database. The RFC Editor will continue to work on documents, but this won't be reflected on rfc-editor.org http://rfc-editor.org/ (e.g., the queue

Planned Freeze of rfc-editor.org http://rfc-editor.org/

2012-03-08 Thread RFC Editor
Greetings All, Please note there will be a freeze on March 13-14 for information at rfc-editor.org http://rfc-editor.org/ that is generated from the database. The RFC Editor will continue to work on documents, but this won't be reflected on rfc-editor.org http://rfc-editor.org/ (e.g., the queue

Last Call: draft-ietf-avtcore-ecn-for-rtp-06.txt (Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) for RTP over UDP) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-08 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance WG (avtcore) to consider the following document: - 'Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) for RTP over UDP' draft-ietf-avtcore-ecn-for-rtp-06.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the

IETF83 - We have a host, and so we will have plenary power strips

2012-03-08 Thread IETF Chair
I am very pleased to announce that Cisco has agreed to host IETF 83 in Paris! With the funds provided by the the host, we will be able to provide power strips in the plenary room. I am extremely grateful to Cisco for helping the IETF in this way. Russ On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:11 AM, IETF Chair

Re: T-Shirts and Green Dots

2012-03-08 Thread IETF Chair
I am very pleased to announce that Cisco has agreed to host IETF 83 in Paris! The t-shirt design contest resulted in a great design, and the period for ordering these t-shirts is over. As planned, people that ordered a t-shirt will receive one at the meeting. Since the design has already been